Thanks Dave. That's a good idea. Probably the easiest way to do would be for
us to simply put all the relevant information together somewhere on the auDA
site and have the link point there. I'll work o it but please don't expect
it to happen tomorrow ;-)

Regards,

Chris Disspain
CEO - auDA
ceo§auda.org.au
+61-3-9349-4711
www.auda.org.au


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hooper [mailto:dave§davehooper.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2001 13:05
To: dns§auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] auDA web site

Chris,

Hears a solution. Get this industry working for you.

1. Ask for donations of design for a site which explains, in clear english
(unlike some of the verbosity which goes on in here) the message you are
trying to get across.
2. Ask for someone to design a neat, small button link which every 'decent'
domain retailer and can place on their site.
3. Link the utton in point 2 to the site in point 1, and away you go. A
cheap, highly affective solution to the issue.

I'm sure most would agree to place such a linked button on their sites if it
meant dealing with the 'undecent' companies which are the subject of
discussion here.

Dave Hooper.

]-----Original Message-----
]From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au]
]Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2001 12:58 PM
]To: dns§auda.org.au
]Subject: RE: [DNS] auDA web site
]
]
]Don,
]
]I did not suggest that we lacked "sufficient funding for managed
]advertising
](of calls for public comment etc.)"  I made no mention of public
]comment and
]it is not correct to suggest that auDA cannot fund such processes.
]
]I said that auDA does not, at present, have the funds to instigate a public
]awareness campaign which by necessity would be scatter-gun in its approach.
]There is a difference. Soon we will be commencing our 'education campaign'
]to inform people about the new changes etc. When we do that we will also be
]able to deal with existing practices.
]
]As for approaching NOIE, whilst I cannot speak for them, my
]understanding is
]that they support a self-regulatory system that is self funded. A
]self-regulatory system, by definition does not have a legislative
]basis from
]which to operate but regulates itself.
]
]Volunteers were offered the opportunity to be a registry operator. The
]tender was open to everyone.
]
]I do not think your linking of volunteer registry operators and voluntary
]actions of ISPs is valid. ISPs/re-sellers are in business. One of the
]fundamental tenets of good business (at least from my point of
]view) is that
]an opportunity to contact your customers (to place you at the 'top of their
]mind') is very valuable. I would have thought that most re-sellers and ISPs
]would have welcomed the opportunity to have a good reason to contact their
]customers and keep them informed. Further, and perhaps far more
]importantly,
]it is those very re-sellers and ISPs who are losing customers to the
]'sharks'. Surely the tiny cost of emailing their database with relevant
]educational information is worthwhile. Apart from anything else,
]it's simply
]good customer service. This does not mean that they sould stop complaining
]to us, ACCC and so on. It just means that a little pro-activity wouldn't go
]astray.
]
]It is not auDA's role to market the .au domain name space to any great
]degree. auDA is the policy body. It will be the role of the Registry
]Operators which is why the RFT asks the specific questions;
]
]"Give details of the Respondent's proposed Marketing Plan pursuant to the
]Registry Licence Agreement." and,
]"Give details of the Respondent's capacity to contribute to the development
]of the domain name industry in Australia."
]
]Regards,
]
]
]Chris Disspain
]CEO - auDA
]ceo§auda.org.au
]+61-3-9349-4711
]www.auda.org.au
]
]
]-----Original Message-----
]From: Don Cameron [mailto:donc§mudgeeab.com.au]
]Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2001 11:59
]To: dns§auda.org.au
]Subject: Re: [DNS] auDA web site
]
]Hi all,
]
]Firstly, thank you Chris for your responses. A degree of frustration has
]been communicated in recent postings, and the courtesy and grace with which
]you reply is welcomed and appreciated.
]
]Like Ron I am not 'against' auDA in these matters, however there
]are obvious
]challenges to be faced, and the continuance of repetitious themes outlining
]the reasons why things cannot be done, sadly only gives rise to further
]frustration - it's a vicious circle (the dreaded loop in a bad piece of
]code), however one that will not be broken without open appraisal and
]analysis of all the available options.
]
]I have recently posted on the possibility of NOIE taking a more proactive
]role in some of these issues, and noting your own comments to the effect
]that you lack sufficient funding for managed advertising (of calls for
]public comment etc.), and that you also lack the legislative basis to
]enforce community protection policies, would it be a 'bad thing'
]to approach
]NOIE for legislative assistance and input?
]
]Another of the loops we seem to be stuck in involves the matter of
]volunteer
]administration of .org and .asn etc. On one hand we are presented with the
]argument that volunteers should not be offered these entities, because the
]formalities of commercial tendering is paramount to competition, yet on the
]other hand we are told that it is only through the voluntary 'good
]grace' of
]ISP's that any of these other issues will be addressed. Can we really have
]it both ways? - ISP's are quite entitled to charge for distributing auDA
]correspondence, and understandably may well wish to do so considering their
]own costs are likely to increase through implementation of the competitive
]model (even though these cost will undoubtedly be passed-on to
]customers for
]items such as .org.au domains etc.).
]
]In closing, I forwarded a posting a few days ago requesting information on
]auDA's long-term marketing strategies and the vision for the .au namespace.
]Accepting the Competition Advisory Panel's findings were
]undoubtedly subject
]to a brief during which this was discussed, is such a document available? -
]If possible I would like to get an overview of where we are
]heading, so some
]of these administrative matters can be assessed in the context of exactly
]what it is we are trying to achieve.
]
]Regards, Don
]
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