Chris,

Hears a solution. Get this industry working for you.

1. Ask for donations of design for a site which explains, in clear english
(unlike some of the verbosity which goes on in here) the message you are
trying to get across.
2. Ask for someone to design a neat, small button link which every 'decent'
domain retailer and can place on their site.
3. Link the utton in point 2 to the site in point 1, and away you go. A
cheap, highly affective solution to the issue.

I'm sure most would agree to place such a linked button on their sites if it
meant dealing with the 'undecent' companies which are the subject of
discussion here.

Dave Hooper.

]-----Original Message-----
]From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au]
]Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2001 12:58 PM
]To: dns§auda.org.au
]Subject: RE: [DNS] auDA web site
]
]
]Don,
]
]I did not suggest that we lacked "sufficient funding for managed
]advertising
](of calls for public comment etc.)"  I made no mention of public
]comment and
]it is not correct to suggest that auDA cannot fund such processes.
]
]I said that auDA does not, at present, have the funds to instigate a public
]awareness campaign which by necessity would be scatter-gun in its approach.
]There is a difference. Soon we will be commencing our 'education campaign'
]to inform people about the new changes etc. When we do that we will also be
]able to deal with existing practices.
]
]As for approaching NOIE, whilst I cannot speak for them, my
]understanding is
]that they support a self-regulatory system that is self funded. A
]self-regulatory system, by definition does not have a legislative
]basis from
]which to operate but regulates itself.
]
]Volunteers were offered the opportunity to be a registry operator. The
]tender was open to everyone.
]
]I do not think your linking of volunteer registry operators and voluntary
]actions of ISPs is valid. ISPs/re-sellers are in business. One of the
]fundamental tenets of good business (at least from my point of
]view) is that
]an opportunity to contact your customers (to place you at the 'top of their
]mind') is very valuable. I would have thought that most re-sellers and ISPs
]would have welcomed the opportunity to have a good reason to contact their
]customers and keep them informed. Further, and perhaps far more
]importantly,
]it is those very re-sellers and ISPs who are losing customers to the
]'sharks'. Surely the tiny cost of emailing their database with relevant
]educational information is worthwhile. Apart from anything else,
]it's simply
]good customer service. This does not mean that they sould stop complaining
]to us, ACCC and so on. It just means that a little pro-activity wouldn't go
]astray.
]
]It is not auDA's role to market the .au domain name space to any great
]degree. auDA is the policy body. It will be the role of the Registry
]Operators which is why the RFT asks the specific questions;
]
]"Give details of the Respondent's proposed Marketing Plan pursuant to the
]Registry Licence Agreement." and,
]"Give details of the Respondent's capacity to contribute to the development
]of the domain name industry in Australia."
]
]Regards,
]
]
]Chris Disspain
]CEO - auDA
]ceo§auda.org.au
]+61-3-9349-4711
]www.auda.org.au
]
]
]-----Original Message-----
]From: Don Cameron [mailto:donc§mudgeeab.com.au]
]Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2001 11:59
]To: dns§auda.org.au
]Subject: Re: [DNS] auDA web site
]
]Hi all,
]
]Firstly, thank you Chris for your responses. A degree of frustration has
]been communicated in recent postings, and the courtesy and grace with which
]you reply is welcomed and appreciated.
]
]Like Ron I am not 'against' auDA in these matters, however there
]are obvious
]challenges to be faced, and the continuance of repetitious themes outlining
]the reasons why things cannot be done, sadly only gives rise to further
]frustration - it's a vicious circle (the dreaded loop in a bad piece of
]code), however one that will not be broken without open appraisal and
]analysis of all the available options.
]
]I have recently posted on the possibility of NOIE taking a more proactive
]role in some of these issues, and noting your own comments to the effect
]that you lack sufficient funding for managed advertising (of calls for
]public comment etc.), and that you also lack the legislative basis to
]enforce community protection policies, would it be a 'bad thing'
]to approach
]NOIE for legislative assistance and input?
]
]Another of the loops we seem to be stuck in involves the matter of
]volunteer
]administration of .org and .asn etc. On one hand we are presented with the
]argument that volunteers should not be offered these entities, because the
]formalities of commercial tendering is paramount to competition, yet on the
]other hand we are told that it is only through the voluntary 'good
]grace' of
]ISP's that any of these other issues will be addressed. Can we really have
]it both ways? - ISP's are quite entitled to charge for distributing auDA
]correspondence, and understandably may well wish to do so considering their
]own costs are likely to increase through implementation of the competitive
]model (even though these cost will undoubtedly be passed-on to
]customers for
]items such as .org.au domains etc.).
]
]In closing, I forwarded a posting a few days ago requesting information on
]auDA's long-term marketing strategies and the vision for the .au namespace.
]Accepting the Competition Advisory Panel's findings were
]undoubtedly subject
]to a brief during which this was discussed, is such a document available? -
]If possible I would like to get an overview of where we are
]heading, so some
]of these administrative matters can be assessed in the context of exactly
]what it is we are trying to achieve.
]
]Regards, Don
]
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