Hi everyone

I like the point that Sean made - to paraphrase: like King Arthur and his knights, the list should remain, awaiting the hour of need for the Australian DNS. In the meantime, David's wonderful weekly posting, occasional resorts to the archives, and even more occasional outbreaks of controversy, give it a useful role.

Regards
Derek

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From: dns-bounces at dotau.org [mailto:dns-bounces at dotau.org] On Behalf Of Jon Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 12:19 AM
To: .au DNS Discussion List
Subject: Re: [DNS] Should this list continue to exist?

Hey Rod

I'm also an member and I share your respect for the folks at auDA, but that's not the point.

This list pre-dates auDA and has always been independent thereof.

I refer you to Rob Taylor's point below, which is pretty pertinent, IMO.  

I think it's important to have an outlet for people concerned about .au domains to have their say, that is not controlled by auDA.

I realise there are other lists/forums that arguably achieve this, but I think this list is worth keeping, as an independent, .au-focused list.

But, that's just my opinion.

cheers
jon

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From: "Info" <info at cheaperdomains.com.au>
To: ".au DNS Discussion List" <dns at dotau.org>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2014 11:35:22 PM
Subject: Re: [DNS] Should this list continue to exist?

Jon,
I don't think as a member of Auda and knowing the people involved I don't think Auda hosting the list would be a political issue. To be fair to Auda they do have a balanced view and have a respect of the past to the .au history.
I don't always agree with Auda but overall they do a good job.
Having said that as a hosting provider of some size I would as the CEO of the Total Internet Group be happy to host the DNS list going forward as a service to the net community in Australia.
Let me know if you want this to happen Kim?
Rod Keys


On 26/03/14 11:09 PM, Jon Lawrence wrote:
> Rod
>
> I agree that keeping the archives live is valuable.  I'd prefer to keep them independent of auDA, however.
>
> For those that aren't aware, full list archives (right back to 1996) 
> are here: www.dotau.org
>
> jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Keys" <info at ddns.com.au>
> To: ".au DNS Discussion List" <dns at dotau.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2014 11:02:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNS] Should this list continue to exist?
>
> Sean,
> I am talking about the historical records which can be found if you 
> Google certain things the old DNS discussion list appears and yes I 
> have some old skeletons in the cupboard but I think the history is 
> worth keeping for the sake of history of the internet in Australia.
>    I am sure a lot of the pioneers of this industry would join me in 
> keeping the archived forums live for the future of the net in .au and 
> if you like the generation who will follow.
> I urge Auda to take over the data on behalf of the stakeholders of the 
> net in .au Kim you have done a wonderful job over the years running 
> the list and I for one have had great enjoyment making comments and 
> watching the net grow in Australia.
> Archive the list under auda.org.au/history.dnslist.
> Thanks,
> Rod Keys
>
>
>
>
> On 26/03/14 10:19 PM, Sean Finn wrote:
>> Then who would watch the watchers?
>>
>> We're silent now because, I'd assume, there's not too much beef with 
>> the job AuDA is performing. If this were ever to change, would AuDA 
>> tollerate criticism?
>>
>> -Sean.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Rod Keys <info at ddns.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe Auda could host it for historical reasons?
>>> Rod Keys
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/03/14 8:20 PM, Rob Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> One note of possible caution - In .UK there was a 'nom-steer' list 
>>>> much like this, quite quiet and dormant much of the time but very 
>>>> useful as and when it was needed.
>>>>
>>>> Nominet then 'improved' things by closing it and moving to a 
>>>> vbulletin system inside their online services, and the reach & 
>>>> debate appears to be all but nullified.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26 March 2014 09:11, Sean Finn <sean at wikwok.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    I think it should stay asleep for great justice just in case it 
>>>> needs to
>>>>> get resurrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Tom Minchin 
>>>>> <tom.minchin at gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>    Yeah. Pull the pin.
>>>>>> On 26/03/2014 3:04 PM, "Kim Davies" <kim at cynosure.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    For those not familiar with this list's history, it was 
>>>>>> started in the
>>>>>>> mid-1990s and was the location where the seminal discussion on 
>>>>>>> .AU happened. The discussion involved key members of the nascent 
>>>>>>> Internet community in Australia, and was the hub of activity 
>>>>>>> that lead to the creation of auDA to manage the the .AU space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today the list if effectively dormant. auDA does not use it to 
>>>>>>> disseminate or discuss issues relating to .AU, and there are 
>>>>>>> little in the way of community discussion here on .AU. For 
>>>>>>> example, auDA saw fit to report to the AusNOG mailing list about 
>>>>>>> DNSSEC initiatives in .AU, but not here
>>>>>>> (http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/2014-March/023181.html
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to pose the question whether this forum should be retired.
>>>>>>> There is certainly no problem sustaining its existence if it 
>>>>>>> continues to fulfil a purpose. However, it may be its time has 
>>>>>>> come after 20 years and is no longer a needed part of the 
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd appreciate members' thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kim
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