I keep an open mind, and you may just sway me on this one point, but
I'll say it in my own words.

You make a sound argument that .com.au promotes .com domain names,
whereas simply .au would create a distinctly Australian extension that
isn't clouded or confused with .com

This is the first argument that I've seen that isn't promoted by
self-interest alone, and is, well, a Valid argument.

I actually agree with you :/

-Sean.

-----Original Message-----
From: dns-bounces+sean.finn=ozservers.com.au§dotau.org
[mailto:dns-bounces+sean.finn=ozservers.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of
Jon Lawrence
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 9:46 AM
To: .au DNS Discussion List
Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains

Oh please.

Any chance of a rational debate on this topic without using terms like
"rape" and "we built it" and similar arrant nonsense?

Any comparison with .us is clearly spurious as anyone who is aware of
the history of that domain space will be well aware.  I would suggest
that a better comparison would be with .de, a TLD that has always
operated a flat domain space.  For a country of ~80 million people, they
seem to be managing pretty well with their ~10 million domain names.
Translate that to Australia, a country of ~20 million people with ~1
million domain names and it is abundantly clear that there is ample
space within a flat .au domain space for many years of growth at the
current rate.

Personally, I think registrations should be allowed at the second level
under .au.  I believe that, not because I stand to gain personally from
such a change, though I would like a shot at lawrence.au, but because I
think that it would provide a considerably more distinctly Australian
internet brand than our current standard offering, .COM.au, which always
seems, in my experience, to be short-handed to .COM.  If KRE had adopted
the British/Kiwi model and gone with .co.au, then I think I'd have a
different opinion, though there still seems to be one too many dots in
that for my liking.

I think that there are some reasonable arguments that can be mounted
against a change of this nature, which I'd be keen to debate with any
adults remaining on this list that wish to do so.

BTW Adrian - congrats on the UAE deal.  Good to see another Australian
high tech company winning deals in the global market.

Jon


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean K. Finn" <Sean.Finn&#167;ozservers.com.au>
To: ".au DNS Discussion List" <dns&#167;dotau.org>
Sent: 29 June 2007 00:16:40 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains

Apart from Adrian benefiting, will anyone other than the registrars and
registries benefit?

You are the caretaker of .au, act accordingly, try not to rape that
which has been enTRUSTed to you.


-----Original Message-----
From: dns-bounces+sean.finn=ozservers.com.au&#167;dotau.org
[mailto:dns-bounces+sean.finn=ozservers.com.au&#167;dotau.org] On Behalf Of
Adrian Kinderis
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 8:20 AM
To: .au DNS Discussion List
Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains

Please open up .au just so I get to read more of this enthralling
rhetoric.

Adrian Kinderis
Chief Executive Officer
AusRegistry International Pty Ltd
Level 8, 10 Queens Road
Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004
Ph: +61 3 9866 3710
Fax: +61 3 9866 1970
Email: adrian&#167;ausregistry.com
Web: www.ausregistryinternational.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dns-bounces+adriank=ausregistry.com.au&#167;dotau.org
[mailto:dns-bounces+adriank=ausregistry.com.au&#167;dotau.org] On Behalf Of
Chris Bell
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 1:22 AM
To: .au DNS Discussion List
Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains


No! Don't!

To open 1st LD .AU domains is to misunderstand the significant role that

we played in the creation of this whole catastrophe in the first place -

to misunderstand why the 2LDs were birthed and where they were borne 
from. And why.

We inherited our .AU infrastructure as a result of our involvement in 
the initial deployment of the Internet. It's not our structure that 
needs correcting, it's the TLD itself.

The whole DNS system was designed around redundancy, and what would 
survive in a post-apocalyptic context. Commercialising it is akin to 
breaking out the 4WD Ladas on a snow-laden CSKA Moscow pitch - 
impressive, but pointless.

.AU used to be over-regulated, but now it's very competitive. I can't 
see any justification for further de-regulation at this time that won't 
undermine the value of all the domains that the rest of you have been 
holding onto and profiting from.

Many of you are paying premium for the likes of M.I.T. to "manage" your 
domains. But many of you want to increase your margins.

You could lose all of that. Everything. Once .com.au becomes 
un-regulated as .au - the likes of DNA will pounce, this time
legitimised.

The .AU part will become almost irrelevant.

Sure, the Eneticas and NetRegistries will make their 10% margin, but the

consequences... You will damn the market forever.

It's all very nice to say that the TLD can buy back a 2LD if necessary -

but that's simply not realistic. You're either in or you're out. Once 
the TLD is in, the 2LD is out.

And I'm out too.


One policy that we've stuck by, all along, is that com.au has to be 
registered to a trading entity. That policy has served us well and I see

no reason to change it.


cb
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