It is - it's all good round here ... it's making me suspicious ... who's on
leave? :-)

 - SnooP

----- Original Message -----
From: Ginger Fish <ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE REQUESTS
REGISTR Y KEY


> Michael,
>
> got the message :)
> I should get ginger-fish.com but hey i got sasha-sudakov.com too i could
use
> that for fun ( no don't sue me, don't sue me !!!! ) but hey that's a
> personnal choice :)
> hey you know that's good, today is so relaxed in here, people talking
> seriously about serious issues, people joking and patting one another on
the
> shoulder *pats Michael* weeeeeee, i like that :)
>
>
> Ginger
> ginger&#167;michael-pappas.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda&#167;michael-pappas.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:10 PM
> To: auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
>
>
> Ginger,
>
> Don't know about putting them in orbit though.. They would find a way to
> bomb us all from greater heights...
>
> Education, consistency and policy that can be enforced... let's work
toward
> that.
>
> Michael.
>
> P.S. Just a little note to all.. Options are my own, thus the use of my
own
> email address.
>
> Also Ginger, I really don't like Mickey, mick, mike or any other
> variation...... Michael or Pappas is fine.. I know you like you nickname
> but I prefer my name, I'm very proud.... Thanks.
>
>
> > Hey Mikey,
> >
> > I completely agree with what you're saying here :
> >
> >> Competition between resellers is what we are looking at.
> >
> > Yes, .. I personnaly think that any reseller abusing policies and using
> > their Registrar and the tools that are provider by that registrar for
> > evil use should have their ass put into orbit around mars..
> >
> >>The policy pannel is dealing with registrar competition. When the time
> > comes we will all be able to read and comment on what they produce.
> >
> > YES
> >
> >>In the current situation resellers of Melb IT are Slamming customers
> >>with renewal notices that trick registrant into paying for a service
> >>that they do not need. THE SCAM. Not Melb IT them selves.
> >
> > This is why maybe Melbourne IT should attach a rocket to their back and
> > send them on the other side of the solar system for abusing the
> > system..
> >
> >>If a reseller fails to renew the domain name for their clients then the
> >>domain name goes back to Melb IT and they contact the custmore. This
> >>happens 28 days before expire.
> >
> > I think that is fair indeed , it doesn't really compare with the " YOUR
> > DOMAIN NAME WILL BE DELETED " ING stuff ...
> >
> >>And I definattly do not think that deceptive practices make it a fair
> >>playing field. If you have dealt with me or Click'nGo! at all you would
> >>know different. Not really sure how you got that conclusion.
> >
> > I think we all know who's doing what and abusing and how mate,
> > Click'n'Go of course is probably different since people never
> > complained about it here as opposed to the other scammers, otherwise
> > you would have heard the Ginger Skeleter coming when night falls to
> > terrorize you :)
> >
> >
> > Ginger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda&#167;michael-pappas.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:10 PM
> > To: auda.org.au
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
> > REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
> >
> >
> > Yes we are talking about the scammers. And to me Melb IT is definattly
> > not one of them.
> >
> > I think that we are confusing a few things here...
> >
> > - Competition between resellers is what we are looking at.
> >
> > - The policy pannel is dealing with registrar competition. When the
> > time
> > comes we will all be able to read and comment on what they produce.
> >
> > - In the current situation resellers of Melb IT are Slamming customers
> > with renewal notices that trick registrant into paying for a service
> > that they do not need. THE SCAM. Not Melb IT them selves.
> >
> > - If a reseller fails to renew the domain name for their clients then
> > the
> > domain name goes back to Melb IT and they contact the custmore. This
> > happens 28 days before expire.
> >
> > - What would the registrar who is facilitating the competition at the
> > present situation flaunt the use of this information.. It's just not
> > happening.
> >
> > - And I definattly do not think that deceptive practices make it a fair
> > playing field. If you have dealt with me or Click'nGo! at all you would
> > know different. Not really sure how you got that conclusion.
> >
> > Michael-Pappas.
> >
> >
> >> Pappas,
> >>
> >> We are talking scammers, not competition...competition happens on
> >> equal terms based on real strategy, you know with people that have
> >> enough brains to find new original ideas to attract customers ... of
> >> course maybe you think that deceiving people is good fair strategy
> >> that enables everybody to compete on a fair ground ...do you ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ginger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda&#167;michael-pappas.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:46 AM
> >> To: auda.org.au
> >> Subject: Re: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
> >> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
> >>
> >>
> >> Until such time as there are competing regirtrars Melb IT is the sole
> >> registrar... why would they need the Key? We are talking reseller
> >> competition for now.
> >>
> >> Michael-Pappas
> >>
> >>> Michael wrote
> >>>
> >>> If you are receiving notice from your original reseller or Melb IT
> >>> directly you would not have to provide the key as the domain name is
> >>> already with them.
> >>>
> >>> MelbIT should be required to be provided with the registry key from
> >>> the registrant (I thought that issue had been delt with) the same as
> >>> with any other  transfer. What gives them an exemption we are talking
> >>> competition here...
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Michael-Pappas" <auda&#167;michael-pappas.com>
> >>> To: "auda.org.au " <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:13 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
> >>> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> > Is this correct?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes and no. In order to renew a domain name Melb IT have made
> >>>> provisions for transfer of .com.au domain names between accredited
> >>>> resellers. So say you originally registered your domain name through
> >>>> one reseller and found another in the two year period and wanted to
> >>>> change. Then you would required to provide that new reseller the
> >>>> registry key to move the domain name to their management within the
> >>>> Melb IT system and flag that domain name to their management.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Do I need to supply my registry key to affect renewal
> >>>> > of my domain name?
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are receiving notice from your original reseller or Melb IT
> >>> directly
> >>>> you would not have to provide the key as the domain name is already
> >>>> with them.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > I have not had any previous dealings with Internet
> >>>> > Name Group. I am a sole proprietor so it is impossible that any
> >>>> > member of my staff could have requested a renewal from Internet
> >>>> > Name Group as I do not have any staff. This seems like business
> >>>> > solicitation in it's purest form.
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Not really sure what you are saying.. Do you or don't you have
> >>>> staff? If you do it's more than possible.. if you don't then highly
> >>>> unlikely as you would know if you provided the Reg Key to them.
> >>>>
> >>>> > At uni we are taught that IS professionals should not misuse the
> >>>> > skills they have learnt for underhandedly obtaining information,
> >>>> > and that people's privacy should be respected. An example was made
> >>>> > of companies that send renewal notices for domain names that look
> >>>> > like invoices,but I didn't realise that one of the companies
> >>>> > involved was (or claims to be) an Accredited .com.au Registrar.
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately what people are taught does not mean that they do it.
> >>>> Porovisionaly accredited registrars a the moment does not really
> >>>> mean that much... it the reseller that follow the  Interim code of
> >>>> practice.
> >>>>
> >>>>  http://www.auda.org.au/docs/Interim_COP.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> I do remember that there is a list on the www.auda.org.au site but
> >>>> for the life of me I can't find it.
> >>>>
> >>>> > Are there current stats on how many consumers are affected by this
> >>>> > practice? Where did this company get my details from? Are they
> >>>> > really an accredited registrar? Why would an accredited registrar
> >>>> > send me a deceptive unsolicited renewal advice?
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> I really doubt it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael-Pappas.
> >>>> www.clickngo.com.au
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > All comments appreciated.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Kind Regards,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Max Sylvester
> >>>> > (University Student and part time IT support)
> >>>> >
> >>>>
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