Michael, got the message :) I should get ginger-fish.com but hey i got sasha-sudakov.com too i could use that for fun ( no don't sue me, don't sue me !!!! ) but hey that's a personnal choice :) hey you know that's good, today is so relaxed in here, people talking seriously about serious issues, people joking and patting one another on the shoulder *pats Michael* weeeeeee, i like that :) Ginger ginger§michael-pappas.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda§michael-pappas.com] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:10 PM To: auda.org.au Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY Ginger, Don't know about putting them in orbit though.. They would find a way to bomb us all from greater heights... Education, consistency and policy that can be enforced... let's work toward that. Michael. P.S. Just a little note to all.. Options are my own, thus the use of my own email address. Also Ginger, I really don't like Mickey, mick, mike or any other variation...... Michael or Pappas is fine.. I know you like you nickname but I prefer my name, I'm very proud.... Thanks. > Hey Mikey, > > I completely agree with what you're saying here : > >> Competition between resellers is what we are looking at. > > Yes, .. I personnaly think that any reseller abusing policies and using > their Registrar and the tools that are provider by that registrar for > evil use should have their ass put into orbit around mars.. > >>The policy pannel is dealing with registrar competition. When the time > comes we will all be able to read and comment on what they produce. > > YES > >>In the current situation resellers of Melb IT are Slamming customers >>with renewal notices that trick registrant into paying for a service >>that they do not need. THE SCAM. Not Melb IT them selves. > > This is why maybe Melbourne IT should attach a rocket to their back and > send them on the other side of the solar system for abusing the > system.. > >>If a reseller fails to renew the domain name for their clients then the >>domain name goes back to Melb IT and they contact the custmore. This >>happens 28 days before expire. > > I think that is fair indeed , it doesn't really compare with the " YOUR > DOMAIN NAME WILL BE DELETED " ING stuff ... > >>And I definattly do not think that deceptive practices make it a fair >>playing field. If you have dealt with me or Click'nGo! at all you would >>know different. Not really sure how you got that conclusion. > > I think we all know who's doing what and abusing and how mate, > Click'n'Go of course is probably different since people never > complained about it here as opposed to the other scammers, otherwise > you would have heard the Ginger Skeleter coming when night falls to > terrorize you :) > > > Ginger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda§michael-pappas.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:10 PM > To: auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE > REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY > > > Yes we are talking about the scammers. And to me Melb IT is definattly > not one of them. > > I think that we are confusing a few things here... > > - Competition between resellers is what we are looking at. > > - The policy pannel is dealing with registrar competition. When the > time > comes we will all be able to read and comment on what they produce. > > - In the current situation resellers of Melb IT are Slamming customers > with renewal notices that trick registrant into paying for a service > that they do not need. THE SCAM. Not Melb IT them selves. > > - If a reseller fails to renew the domain name for their clients then > the > domain name goes back to Melb IT and they contact the custmore. This > happens 28 days before expire. > > - What would the registrar who is facilitating the competition at the > present situation flaunt the use of this information.. It's just not > happening. > > - And I definattly do not think that deceptive practices make it a fair > playing field. If you have dealt with me or Click'nGo! at all you would > know different. Not really sure how you got that conclusion. > > Michael-Pappas. > > >> Pappas, >> >> We are talking scammers, not competition...competition happens on >> equal terms based on real strategy, you know with people that have >> enough brains to find new original ideas to attract customers ... of >> course maybe you think that deceiving people is good fair strategy >> that enables everybody to compete on a fair ground ...do you ? >> >> >> Ginger >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda§michael-pappas.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:46 AM >> To: auda.org.au >> Subject: Re: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE >> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY >> >> >> Until such time as there are competing regirtrars Melb IT is the sole >> registrar... why would they need the Key? We are talking reseller >> competition for now. >> >> Michael-Pappas >> >>> Michael wrote >>> >>> If you are receiving notice from your original reseller or Melb IT >>> directly you would not have to provide the key as the domain name is >>> already with them. >>> >>> MelbIT should be required to be provided with the registry key from >>> the registrant (I thought that issue had been delt with) the same as >>> with any other transfer. What gives them an exemption we are talking >>> competition here... >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michael-Pappas" <auda§michael-pappas.com> >>> To: "auda.org.au " <dns§lists.auda.org.au> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE >>> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY >>> >>> >>>> > Is this correct? >>>> >>>> Yes and no. In order to renew a domain name Melb IT have made >>>> provisions for transfer of .com.au domain names between accredited >>>> resellers. So say you originally registered your domain name through >>>> one reseller and found another in the two year period and wanted to >>>> change. Then you would required to provide that new reseller the >>>> registry key to move the domain name to their management within the >>>> Melb IT system and flag that domain name to their management. >>>> >>>> >>>> > Do I need to supply my registry key to affect renewal >>>> > of my domain name? >>>> >>>> If you are receiving notice from your original reseller or Melb IT >>> directly >>>> you would not have to provide the key as the domain name is already >>>> with them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > I have not had any previous dealings with Internet >>>> > Name Group. I am a sole proprietor so it is impossible that any >>>> > member of my staff could have requested a renewal from Internet >>>> > Name Group as I do not have any staff. This seems like business >>>> > solicitation in it's purest form. >>>> > >>>> >>>> Not really sure what you are saying.. Do you or don't you have >>>> staff? If you do it's more than possible.. if you don't then highly >>>> unlikely as you would know if you provided the Reg Key to them. >>>> >>>> > At uni we are taught that IS professionals should not misuse the >>>> > skills they have learnt for underhandedly obtaining information, >>>> > and that people's privacy should be respected. An example was made >>>> > of companies that send renewal notices for domain names that look >>>> > like invoices,but I didn't realise that one of the companies >>>> > involved was (or claims to be) an Accredited .com.au Registrar. >>>> > >>>> >>>> Unfortunately what people are taught does not mean that they do it. >>>> Porovisionaly accredited registrars a the moment does not really >>>> mean that much... it the reseller that follow the Interim code of >>>> practice. >>>> >>>> http://www.auda.org.au/docs/Interim_COP.pdf >>>> >>>> I do remember that there is a list on the www.auda.org.au site but >>>> for the life of me I can't find it. >>>> >>>> > Are there current stats on how many consumers are affected by this >>>> > practice? Where did this company get my details from? Are they >>>> > really an accredited registrar? Why would an accredited registrar >>>> > send me a deceptive unsolicited renewal advice? >>>> > >>>> >>>> I really doubt it. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Michael-Pappas. >>>> www.clickngo.com.au >>>> >>>> >>>> > All comments appreciated. >>>> > >>>> > Kind Regards, >>>> > >>>> > Max Sylvester >>>> > (University Student and part time IT support) >>>> > >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - > - >> - >>>> - >>>> > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => >>>> > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ Please do not retransmit articles >>>> > on this list without permission of the author, further >>>> > information at the above URL. 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