Brett said close it down I say no it has some use and the local councils are able to promote the space as well, much better than stonnington.vic.gov.au/bushfirehelp.php stonnington.vic.au now that much better. Rod David Goldstein wrote: > Rod, > > The success or otherwise of any namespace has nothing to do with saving lives in > bushfires. > > They are 2 totally unrelated issues. > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rod Keys <info§ddns.com.au> > To: .au DNS Discussion List <dns§dotau.org> > Sent: Fri, 26 November, 2010 5:33:30 PM > Subject: Re: [DNS] CGDN review > > Jim, > I suggest you have a look at what is being done within that namespace > and see what communities are up to then make comment. > Rod > > > jim Stewart wrote: > >> I think auDA got this wrong the same way they did .id.au . You can argue >> all you like about the au namespace being great to have town.vic.au etc but >> people will have trouble remembering these names. It's too hard and why >> should they be bothered. People will simply type what they think it maybe >> into Google. I remember Mr Disspain telling me 10 years ago that .id.au >> would be the new gold rush for domains. Too hard. If people want a vanity >> URL they want a simple one. Not one they have to tell people time and time >> again. The shorter the URL the better. People have trouble with .gov.au >> domains their not going to try to learn a new domain structure. >> >> Rod seriously, were you kidding? A domain name is not a website. >> Jim Stewart >> Managing Director >> Stew Art Media >> >> On 26 November 2010 17:06, Rod Keys <info§ddns.com.au> wrote: >> >> >>> Brett, >>> All the costs are now rolled into the existing system and the ongoing >>> cost of the program would in my view be negligible (gee we run systems >>> just like this the last time I looked but please enlighten my if I am >>> wrong). Some good outcomes have been made in bush fire ravaged areas >>> around Melbourne for local communities to communicate emergency >>> procedures ETC. To not see this is a gross misunderstanding of the facts >>> and I would hope if your one day involved in such a catastrophe you >>> would be glad to have this information at hand ....Sometimes you guys in >>> Sydney should not just focus on the $$$$$. Same Brett shame. >>> I think something like 140 Australians lost their lives during this bush >>> fire and if the community domain name initiatives help save some lives >>> in the future I think that would be well worth it. >>> Have a nice weekend. >>> Rod Keys >>> >>> >>> >>> Brett Fenton wrote: >>> >>>> As you might be aware there is currently a review of the CGDN policy by >>>> >>> auDA. >>> >>>> Comments for this close December 3rd, I've submitted my thoughts which >>>> >>> I've >>> >>>> copied below. >>>> >>>> Basically this program has resulted in 200 registrations at a cost of >>>> >>> around >>> >>>> $2M - or $10,000 per domain registered. The original funding for auCD >>>> >>> came >>> >>>> from the funds auDA received when the geographic domains were released. >>>> >>> That >>> >>>> funding is exhausted, and the program is now being funded as part of the >>>> >>> fee >>> >>>> auDA collects on each domain registration. >>>> >>>> I feel strongly this is a gross waste of money for zero actual benefit as >>>> >>> per >>> >>>> my comments. I would encourage any stakeholder in the .au space from both >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> demand and supply sides, to look at this program, and at least ask >>>> >>> questions >>> >>>> as to why this is continuing, if not to contrbiute to the public comment >>>> process. >>>> >>>> ---Begin >>>> >>>> Dear Lujia, >>>> >>>> Thank you for the opportunity to express my views of the CGDN policy. >>>> >>>> These comments represent the view of the Online Growth Solutions Ltd >>>> >>> group of >>> >>>> companies, which includes Netregistry Pty Ltd, Hostess Pty Ltd, >>>> >>> PlanetDomain >>> >>>> Pty Ltd, MDWebhosting Pty Ltd and TPP Internet Pty Ltd, all companies are >>>> accredited Registrars in a range of spaces including the .au and gtld. >>>> >>>> I shall reserve all of my comments to the following clause in the policy: >>>> >>>> "2.1 auDA has created the CGDNs in order to preserve Australian >>>> >>> geographic >>> >>>> names for use by the relevant local community. The aim is to provide an >>>> intuitive, standardised naming system to enable better access to local >>>> community, tourism and business information and to facilitate social and >>>> economic benefits to Australian communities." >>>> >>>> As at todays date communities have been able to register in the 3th level >>>> >>> for >>> >>>> the past 4 years. >>>> >>>> During that time a total of just over 200 domains have been registered, >>>> >>> at an >>> >>>> expense in excess of approximately $2,000,000. >>>> >>>> That is in simple terms some $10,000 per domain registered. >>>> >>>> Clearly by any measure, this program has been an abject failure. >>>> >>>> >From the cgdn.org.au website: >>>> >>>> "The auCD company was wound up on 30th June, 2010 at the project funds >>>> >>> end and >>> >>>> auDA is continuing to support the initiative within their operations as >>>> >>> part >>> >>>> of their community engagement and education activities." >>>> >>>> I question not only the logic of auDA absorbing these ongoing costs, but >>>> >>> also >>> >>>> the fact we have an open policy review process, however the decision to >>>> >>> bear >>> >>>> those costs, didn't seem to follow the same open decision making process >>>> >>> where >>> >>>> any stakeholder comment was sought. >>>> >>>> Every domain name registrant currently registering a domain in the .au >>>> >>> space >>> >>>> is continuing to fund this program, by way of the auDA fee, and has every >>>> right to be concerned that that money is continuing to be grossly wasted, >>>> >>> with >>> >>>> no business case, no expected social outcomes and generally no oversight >>>> >>> into >>> >>>> the proposed benefits of the program. >>>> >>>> The aim of the policy as stated is clearly not being met, there is no >>>> >>> demand >>> >>>> for this space, no uptake by local communities and therefore no increased >>>> access or economic benefits to local communities. >>>> >>>> I would call for: >>>> >>>> 1) The existing domains to be "grand fathered" for a fixed period of time >>>> >>> (of >>> >>>> which there is precedent in the space); and >>>> >>>> 2) The immediate cessation of any new registrations; and >>>> >>>> 3) auDA providing assistance to transition existing Registrants to a >>>> >>> domain in >>> >>>> an existing .au space (org.au). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Brett Fenton >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ > >Received on Fri Nov 26 2010 - 00:50:04 UTC
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