Is that the most intelligent reply you can think of Larry?

Again I would have expected better from the owner of Netregistry.

Its not much more thoughtful than Adam's reply.

But then it seems you were content to imply truth to Adam's
allegations against Planet Domain,

by saying, and I quote,

"Adam - he simply recounted his experience"

A wise man, Murray Kester, Manager of Planet Domain, said to me recently
that it may be impossible to reason with some people on this list as they
are not reasonable people.

They are competitors, who are not interested in the truth, facts or reason.

It was a bit rich your starting this thread titled "List rules" less than 10 hours
after you, yourself, indulged in using this list to make deliberate insults and
name calling, and apparently trying to convey a god like impression of yourself
by threatening and I quote

"I will arrange for the next VirginBlue flight to land in your bedroom
(which would have the added benefit of boosting my Qantas shares)"

I am sure everyone one who reads this list was fascinated and enthralled to hear
that you own some Qantas shares and no doubt this fact boosted your status
in their minds.


Regards
Barry Armstrong


PS. Thats not the kind of God I would like to have.









  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Bloch 
  To: dns§dotau.org 
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:19 PM
  Subject: RE: [DNS] List rules


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  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: info&#167;australianwebsites.com 
  > [mailto:info&#167;australianwebsites.com] 
  > Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 1:27
  > To: dns&#167;dotau.org
  > Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules
  > 
  > 
  > Larry,
  > 
  > I agree with everyone who thought the issue of the 
  > allegations initiated by Adam against Planet Domain, in reply 
  > to Jim's original post seeking help on a domain issue took 
  > too long to resolve.
  > 
  > ( Due in part originally to the number of posts it took Adam
  > to provide more specific information to support his 
  > allegations when invited to do so. )
  > 
  > Let us remember that it was Adam, not I, who, at the mere 
  > mention of the 2 words
  > 
  > "Planet Domain"
  > 
  > in Jim's long email seeking help, chose to make the very 
  > first post as a reply to Jim's request for help.
  > 
  > Did Adam's reply to Jim's post offer any help? No, it didn't.
  > 
  > It was criticisms / allegations directed specifically at 
  > Planet Domain, "their technical support team" and Adam even 
  > went on to criticise Murray Kester, the Manager of Planet 
  > Domain, personally by name!
  > 
  > It was at this point that a new issue was raised.
  > 
  > Making criticisms / allegations against a Registrar is a 
  > serious matter and is messing with the livelihoods of all the 
  > people who work there and the people who are Resellers for 
  > Planet Domain also.
  > 
  > Looking back now its a little sad that, overall, more time 
  > was spent by some people on debating procedural type issues 
  > like relevancy to a thread, than whether it was fair or just, 
  > to publicly criticise a Registrar, "their technical support 
  > team" and Murray Kester, the Manager of Planet Domain, and 
  > even arguing whether or not allegations like that should go 
  > unquestioned, and you Larry, by saying, and I quote,
  > 
  > "Adam - he simply recounted his experience"
  > 
  > implied those allegations were true.
  > 
  > That serious allegations can be made which then start being 
  > referred to as though they were true, is a recipe for a truly 
  > unfair DNS list, were this list to be moderated to stifle 2 
  > sided debate.
  > 
  > As Trent pointed out
  > 
  > "The 'other thread' is history and it was self moderated to a 
  > degree. In so doing, if just one person took some form of 
  > education away from it, then although annoying, it served its 
  > purpose."
  > 
  > Proposals of moderation need to be very carefully thought 
  > about as moderation can easily become censorship in practice.
  > 
  > I submit that 2 sided debate is always preferable to 1 sided 
  > negative allegations - where the person making those 
  > allegations goes unquestioned and / or unchallenged and 
  > supporting facts sought.
  > 
  > A useful guideline for this list would be that if anyone is 
  > going to make a criticism of any person or company at anytime 
  > in the future it should be based on facts only, and they 
  > should be prepared to present those specific facts, or for 
  > example a link to a news article, to support their 
  > criticisms, and present them in a timely manner, so that 
  > debates are efficient, productive, and provide useful information.
  > 
  > If any moderation included banning all non .au domain issues 
  > even Jim's original request for help would have been culled 
  > out as it regarded a .com domain only.
  > 
  > As there is not a TLD list where people such as Jim can seek 
  > help and anyone can discuss TLD specific issues, perhaps a 
  > separate TLD list could be started.
  > 
  > 
  > Regards
  > Barry Armstrong
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Larry Bloch 
  >   To: dns&#167;dotau.org 
  >   Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:03 PM
  >   Subject: RE: [DNS] List rules
  > 
  > 
  >   Trent,
  > 
  >   Moderating a list is a thankless task - definitely.
  > 
  >   I'm not so sure that "no news is good news" in this list's 
  > case. I think its
  >   probably fairer to say no news is an indication that the 
  > real issues are not
  >   being raised in this forum, and that is a pity. Why are the 
  > issues not being
  >   discussed here? Because the list lacks credibility as a 
  > place where useful
  >   debate happens, and that�s an historical fact.
  > 
  >   This list has been over used for outbursts (as we have seen 
  > yesterday),
  >   vitriolic personal attacks, loony conspiracy theorists, 
  > hatchet jobs and the
  >   like. You only have to go back and see Chris Disspain's 
  > written comments on
  >   his attitude to posting to this list to see a reflection of 
  > that reality.
  >   His frustration with the manner and tone of postings is 
  > shared by many of
  >   the professionals in this industry who as a result lurk but 
  > steer clear of
  >   posting.
  > 
  >   If all of us subscribed want to get something more that the 
  > odd bit of news
  >   out of the list, then as a community we need to have some 
  > sort of acceptable
  >   use standards - formal or otherwise. And I take your point 
  > that the recent
  >   episode did resolve in a 'natural order' way. Its just a 
  > little inefficient
  >   sometimes.
  > 
  >   Larry
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >   > -----Original Message-----
  >   > From: trent&#167;sos.net.au [mailto:trent&#167;sos.net.au] 
  >   > Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 11:46
  >   > To: dns&#167;dotau.org
  >   > Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules
  >   > 
  >   > 
  >   > Larry,
  >   > In theory, this would be great, but Kim, at least I assume it 
  >   > was Kim, 
  >   > has outlined in the first line of the policy that this list 
  >   > is unmoderated.
  >   > 
  >   > Like your own post, my point is subjective. The 'other thread' is 
  >   > history and it was self moderated to a degree. In so doing, 
  >   > if just one 
  >   > person took some form of education away from it, then 
  >   > although annoying, 
  >   > it served its purpose. That might mean fewer of these 
  > outbursts and I 
  >   > know that's hoping for allot, but I'm a hopeful kind of guy ;)
  >   > 
  >   > If Kim wishes to moderate, that's his decision as list 
  >   > manager, but it 
  >   > is a time issue, so I for one would understand if he chooses 
  >   > not to. In the mean time, the list, as Sean pointed out, 
  >   > generally moves along 
  >   > at a dead crawl. This is indicative of the "no news is good news" 
  >   > clich�, and we can, as Vic pointed out, use the good ol' 
  > D key when 
  >   > someone won't leave well enough alone.
  >   > 
  >   > Having said all that, and provided you have the time 
  > Larry, perhaps a 
  >   > related list is something you feel would be in order? 'Any' list 
  >   > generates information we can potentially learn from, and I would 
  >   > definitely have a look at the focus of any new list that 
  >   > might assist me 
  >   > in advising clients and colleagues.
  >   > 
  >   > Cheers,
  > 


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