Larry,

Your "analysis" and I say that word rather generously in this case
is inaccurate and your resort to name calling in your very first post
on this issue is quite disappointing as I would have expected better
conduct from the owner of Netregistry.

You may be a little upset perhaps that my site appears higher
in some search results than yours despite Netregistry's
claimed expertise in Search Engine Optimisation.

I will as I have always done in recent posts state an example
or actual quote to substantiate:

Example - domain registration

at http://yahoo.com.au

I can only assume that your use of the word "clearly"
3 times in your email is an attempt to lend yourself some
extra authority / credibility on this issue.

THE FACTS ARE AND I QUOTE, ADAM STATED

"We at one stage had $500 credit in our account, the next
we had -$230"

IN REPLY, TO CLARIFY IF ADAM WAS INDEED CLAIMING THAT PLANET DOMAIN
HAD "STOLEN" $730 FROM HIS RESELLER ACCOUNT I ASKED ADAM THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS

"So are you saying that the $500 credit stated in your account was correct
at the time or incorrect?

If it was correct are you saying that Planet Domain "stole" $730 that you were
rightfully entitled to and had generated / earned through your business as a reseller?"

IN REPLY ADAM STATED AND I QUOTE

"they took credit that YES I was rightfully entitled to and now they wont reinstate."

NOTE THAT ADAM STATED THAT ACTUAL MONEY ( $730 SPECIFICALLY ) WAS TAKEN
FROM HIS RESELLER ACCOUNT BY PLANET DOMAIN and that Adam emphasised his
apparent indignation at this by spelling YES in capital letters.

To quote http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=thieve

definition of the word "thieve"

"To take (something)"  NOTE THAT ADAM STATED

"they took credit"

"that YES I was rightfully entitled to and now they wont reinstate."

The use of the word "theft" was merely stating in plain language what Adam had stated.

As far as replying to Adam's posts I did stop long ago but still had the courtesy to
reply when Adam initiated a new question to myself.

I replied to Edwin's post to clarify the discussion and Sean's post when asked a question.

Re - replying to your post, it is a little difficult to let you get away with blatant name calling
and inaccurate and incorrect "analysis" without a rebuttal.


Regards
Barry Armstrong









  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Bloch 
  To: dns§dotau.org 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:49 PM
  Subject: RE: [DNS] Reseller alleges theft of $730 by Registrar [was] [DNS] Bottle Domains - transfer issues URGENT HELP PLease.


  Barry,

  In fact, Adam did not allege a theft, YOU did.

  Adam indicated a simple administrative error. Happens to all companies at
  one point or another - no big deal. It happens, it gets pointed out and gets
  dealt with. At this point, Adam has indicated he is prepared to leave it at
  that. Clearly reading between the lines, there are other issues that have
  not been brought up, nor do they need to be brought up here.

  YOU, by changing this thread's subject, and by repeatedly using terms like
  'theft' are making the allegations, and I suggest you stop. It is YOU that
  has raised questions about an accredited registrar discharging their duty,
  not Adam - he simply recounted his experience - any idiot can see he is not
  a fan, and any idiot can also see that there are probably two sides to the
  story.

  I've read you say on a number of occasions that you will not reply, and
  seconds later I read your reply.

  Now I'm not involved other than I probably benefit in some small way by a
  competitor being bad mouthed, but I can very clearly say this to you:

   - you may well be an idiot
   - you are wasting all of our time
   - nobody cares about this issue as its clearly not the earth shattering
  blot on the industry you seem to think it is
   - it is obvious to all that you simply don't know when to stop - one of the
  best pieces of advice I have had is that when you are in a hole, it's a good
  time to stop digging
   - the bone (with thanks to Trent) has no meat left on it. In fact, there's
  hardly any bone left either. Put your tail between you legs and move.
   - your conduct on this list only serves to damage your own credibility -
  surely you can see you are not engendering a consensus to your position.
   - I might add my own piece of topical wisdom - "if you find yourself all
  alone, either get used to it or start moving towards somebody - anybody -
  else"
   - and lastly, PLEASE don't reply. If you do, I will arrange for the next
  VirginBlue flight to land in your bedroom (which would have the added
  benefit of boosting my Qantas shares)

  This list used to have many many posters like yourself (you there somewhere,
  Harry?), you've just missed the boat by a few years.

  For our sanity's sake, SHUT UP.

  Larry

  PS: Actually, I have to admit this is a lot more entertaining than domain
  name news (no offence, David).


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Deus Ex Machina [mailto:vicc§cia.com.au] 
  > Sent: Monday, 21 March 2005 11:10
  > To: dns§dotau.org
  > Subject: Re: [DNS] Reseller alleges theft of $730 by 
  > Registrar [was] [DNS] Bottle Domains - transfer issues URGENT 
  > HELP PLease.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > guys this is beyond tedious. I am going to send you a bill 
  > for having to hit the 'd' key well above and beyond a number 
  > of reasonable times.
  > 
  > Vic
  > 
  > info§australianwebsites.com [info§australianwebsites.com] wrote:
  > > Edwin,
  > > 
  > > I have renamed this thread to
  > > "Reseller alleges theft of $730 by Registrar"
  > > 
  > > which I probably should have done earlier.
  > > 
  > > Any discussion of relevance to the original thread posted by Jim
  > > 
  > > seeking help on a domain issue is of miniscule importance compared
  > > 
  > > to the allegation of theft that was made by Adam against an
  > > 
  > > accredited Registrar.
  > > 
  > > The main point of the discussion was to invite the facts of this
  > > 
  > > claim, if any, to be presented so that after seeing the original 
  > > allegation
  > > 
  > > of theft by Adam we could all make an informed judgement on
  > > 
  > > the truth or otherwise of the claim.
  > > 
  > > A 2nd reason for the discussion was that apathy ( not seeking the 
  > > facts )
  > > 
  > > in the light of an extremely serious type of allegation would make 
  > > this list and the
  > > 
  > > domain industry appear negligent in the face of such an 
  > issue alleged 
  > > by Adam.
  > > 
  > > AS I STATED TO ADAM EARLIER  ( copy below )
  > > 
  > > As you were the one who raised the extremely serious issue 
  > / claim of 
  > > theft by an accredited registrar
  > > 
  > > "where they took credit that YES I was rightfully entitled 
  > to and now 
  > > they won't reinstate".
  > > 
  > > and spelt YES in capitals to apparently emphasise your 
  > indignation at 
  > > this stated theft, I would have thought that at the very least you 
  > > would have reported this to the relevant authorities.
  > > 
  > > I was hoping we would see as much specific facts as possible from 
  > > yourself in support of your allegations.
  > > 
  > > If not a single participant in this list had bothered to make the 
  > > effort to invite you to provide more information to support 
  > your very 
  > > serious allegation of theft by a Registrar, this list and 
  > the domain 
  > > industry would be seen in a very bad light indeed by the general 
  > > public.
  > > 
  > > 
  > > Regards
  > > Barry Armstrong
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  > >   From: tenty§lanmadness.net 
  > >   To: dns§dotau.org 
  > >   Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:41 PM
  > >   Subject: [DNS] RE: Adam/Barry Flame war [was] [DNS] 
  > Bottle Domains - 
  > > transfer issues URGENT HELP PLease.
  > > 
  > > 
  > >   At the risk of being dragged into this flame war of 
  > posts, I will ask people to
  > >   stop growling at each other and let the bone go. Here's my 2c...
  > > 
  > >   It seems to be clear that Trent is correct in all of this.
  > >   Adam has stated his discontent for Planet.
  > >   Barry has backed the service he has from Planet.
  > > 
  > >   I fail to see the relevance in the link, although, not 
  > having listened to the
  > >   real audio interview (because i refuse to install real 
  > audio on a slow P133
  > >   laptop and the work computer doesn't allow real audio 
  > streams though the
  > >   firewall), I don't know what went on.
  > > 
  > >   Don't take this as a personal attack however, I just am 
  > merely stating the fact
  > >   of your average computer user.
  > > 
  > >   I can see the point in Adam not taking legal action in 
  > the $500+ as it would
  > >   probably cost just as much in legal fees. But I can see 
  > how this could be
  > >   warranted as a "serious" allegation against a company. As 
  > Trent correctly
  > >   pointed out however, if you don't like a place, don't shop there.
  > > 
  > >   Lets bring this thread to a close now shall we? as the 
  > morel of the story is:
  > >   Everyone's had more than their 2c worth.
  > > 
  > >   Cheers
  > >   -Edwin
  > > 
  > > 
  > >   Quoting info§australianwebsites.com:
  > > 
  > >   > As I pointed out a new and extremely serious issue / allegation
  > >   > was initiated by Adam on this list.
  > >   >
  > >   > Re - relevance: Perhaps someone should have updated the
  > >   > subject of the thread as it was in fact a new issue and
  > >   > allegation raised by Adam which as far as I could see had
  > >   > no relevance at all to the original post by Jim.
  > >   >
  > >   > Re - "2. False accusation? You posted the link."
  > >   >
  > >   > You accused me of
  > >   >
  > >   > "and digging up articles on the poster"
  > >   >
  > >   > which had no basis in truth whatsoever.
  > >   >
  > >   > See post by Glenn on the 20th March 2005.
  > >   >
  > >   > If you don't think thats not a false accusation
  > >   > what do you think is?
  > >   >
  > >   > PS. I am quite content to see your definition of a 
  > false accusation
  > >   > without replying to it, and I definitely won't be, 
  > regardless of how
  > >   > innacurate it may be.
  > >   >
  > >   > So the last reply is all yours if you want it.
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > Regards
  > >   > Barry Armstrong
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  > >   >   From: trent§sos.net.au
  > >   >   To: dns§dotau.org
  > >   >   Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:07 PM
  > >   >   Subject: Re: [DNS] Bottle Domains - transfer issues 
  > URGENT HELP PLease.
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >   1. I'm not a supporter of anyone in this ongoing 
  > flame war. Adam may
  > >   >   have thanked me, that's his choice, I wasn't praising 
  > him by any
  > >   >   stretch.... I don't support his post on the list 
  > either. If I have a
  > >   >   problem with a registrar, or any business I purchase 
  > from, I take my
  > >   >   business elsewhere, it's that simple.
  > >   >
  > >   >   2. False accusation? You posted the link. It doesn't 
  > matter who held the
  > >   >   interview, who typed the original or who edited it 
  > and submitted it on
  > >   >   that site. You posted it on this list. I didn't 
  > "accuse" you of
  > >   >   anything, I was trying to point out that if you 
  > ignored the post you
  > >   >   felt was irrelevant, it would go away. Instead you 
  > have given it
  > >   >   strength by continuing to drag it along. The only sad 
  > thing is you can't
  > >   >   see that. The last word is all you are interested in, 
  > like a dog
  > >   >   worrying a long stripped bone.
  > >   >
  > >   >   Hell, if you had stuck to your thought about 
  > irrelevance I WOULD have
  > >   >   been applauding... and it would have been YOU I was 
  > applauding!
  > >   >   I doubt you would complain then. No, it's obvious 
  > that the last word is
  > >   >   all you are interested in, like a dog worrying an 
  > aged, long stripped
  > >   >   bone. It's a shame you didn't stick to your guns, 
  > such is life.
  > >   >
  > >   >   Don't worry you can have the last word on this, as I 
  > know you are
  > >   >   busting to do so. I unlike you, won't be replying to 
  > this thread as the
  > >   >   original fellow is no doubt in discussions with the 
  > pleasant people at
  > >   >   Bottle Domains, who, although I don't have a business 
  > relationship with
  > >   >   them, I would recommend their personnel to anyone 
  > from previous experience.
  > >   >
  > >   >   P.S. Unnamed? I've noticed that OPSM have great deals 
  > on glasses.
  > >   >
  > >   >   info§australianwebsites.com wrote:
  > >   >
  > >   >   >To Adam I meant.
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >I was not aware at the time that Adam had an un 
  > named supporter
  > >   >   >who would make a false accusation.
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >Copy below.
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >Re - your email "digging up articles on the poster"
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >It was actually in fact
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >Glenn Powell who had the initiative to do some 
  > research and managed
  > >   >   >to find and post the link
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >http://www.abc.net.au/westernplains/stories/s1161799.htm
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >in his post on the 20th March 2005.
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >Its nice to see that at least one other member of 
  > this list has the
  > >   > initiative
  > >   >   >to do some research and try to see some actual facts 
  > when a serious
  > >   > allegation
  > >   >   >is raised, and if you read the article at
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >http://www.abc.net.au/westernplains/stories/s1161799.htm
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >I don't think anyone could accuse Glenn of having 
  > posted a link to an
  > >   > article
  > >   >   >of a defamatory nature.
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >PS. As I am quite busy this will be my last reply to you too.
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >
  > >   >   >Regards
  > >   >   >Barry Armstrong