Now that's a fair set of statements.



Simple fact is that some parts of .au are negligent, and this list is
probably the most appropriate forum to air out those grievances.



*WE* as participants and active players in the .au namespace should also be
able to air out our concerns without fear of persecution.

It is of great concern to me that this kind of thing would happen at a
registrar level, but also quite believable. The best approach however is not
to tie up the individual and make them prove themselves. The best approach
is to wait for other stories saying 'yep me too', or 'no way, they have
always dealt me the benefit of the doubt'.

The collective balance of good vs bad will therefore swing the true public
opinion, and if it IS a load of crap, or an isolated incident, will be
perceived as such as noone else has come forward.

*At the same time*

Its good to see you sticking up for a registrar that you use, and recommend
highly with such strong feelings. (They must really look after you).


So we have one for Bottle Domains, and two against Bottle Domains. (Initial
grievance + reseller grievance akin to saying 'here here' / 'me too ' /
'heres my story').



Does anyone ELSE have any Bottle Domains stories, good or bad? (I don't have
any experience with either way).


-Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: info§australianwebsites.com [mailto:info§australianwebsites.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:27 PM
To: dns§dotau.org
Subject: Re: [DNS] Reseller alleges theft of $730 by Registrar [was] [DNS]
Bottle Domains - transfer issues URGENT HELP PLease.

Sean,

As I stated

"A 2nd reason for the discussion was that apathy ( not seeking the facts )
in the light of an extremely serious type of allegation would make this list
and the domain industry appear negligent in the face of such an issue
alleged by Adam."

As one of the participants in the domain industry in Australia, I would
prefer
to continue working in an industry which I hope is held in generally fairly
high
regard by the general public, not one which came to be seen  as one which
ignored allegations of theft of money by a Registrar without any of its
participants
inviting the facts, if any, of the allegation to be provided.

Thats an important "gain" for myself and the majority of people working in
the domain industry, both TLD's and .au + all the resellers for Planet
Domain
like myself who have never had any money stolen from them by Planet Domain,
and in fact I personally have always found the ethics of Planet Domain to be
of an impeccable standard.


Regards
Barry Armstrong






  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sean Finn 
  To: dns§dotau.org 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [DNS] Reseller alleges theft of $730 by Registrar [was] [DNS]
Bottle Domains - transfer issues URGENT HELP PLease.


  I think this now becomes a matter between the reseller and the registrar.
If
  the registrar wishes to pursue it further, they can in court.

  One really has to ask, what do YOU have to gain, or what does .AU have to
  gain by this conversation?

  -Sean

  -----Original Message-----
  From: info§australianwebsites.com [mailto:info§australianwebsites.com] 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:31 PM
  To: dns§dotau.org
  Subject: [DNS] Reseller alleges theft of $730 by Registrar [was] [DNS]
  Bottle Domains - transfer issues URGENT HELP PLease.

  Edwin,

  I have renamed this thread to
  "Reseller alleges theft of $730 by Registrar"

  which I probably should have done earlier.

  Any discussion of relevance to the original thread posted by Jim

  seeking help on a domain issue is of miniscule importance compared

  to the allegation of theft that was made by Adam against an

  accredited Registrar.

  The main point of the discussion was to invite the facts of this

  claim, if any, to be presented so that after seeing the original
allegation

  of theft by Adam we could all make an informed judgement on

  the truth or otherwise of the claim.

  A 2nd reason for the discussion was that apathy ( not seeking the facts )

  in the light of an extremely serious type of allegation would make this
list
  and the

  domain industry appear negligent in the face of such an issue alleged by
  Adam.

  AS I STATED TO ADAM EARLIER  ( copy below )

  As you were the one who raised the extremely serious issue / claim
  of theft by an accredited registrar

  "where they took credit that YES I was rightfully entitled to and now
  they won't reinstate".

  and spelt YES in capitals to apparently emphasise your indignation at
  this stated theft, I would have thought that at the very least you
  would have reported this to the relevant authorities.

  I was hoping we would see as much specific facts as possible
  from yourself in support of your allegations.

  If not a single participant in this list had bothered to make the
  effort to invite you to provide more information to support your
  very serious allegation of theft by a Registrar, this list and the
  domain industry would be seen in a very bad light indeed by the
  general public.


  Regards
  Barry Armstrong











    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: tenty§lanmadness.net 
    To: dns§dotau.org 
    Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:41 PM
    Subject: [DNS] RE: Adam/Barry Flame war [was] [DNS] Bottle Domains -
  transfer issues URGENT HELP PLease.


    At the risk of being dragged into this flame war of posts, I will ask
  people to
    stop growling at each other and let the bone go. Here's my 2c...

    It seems to be clear that Trent is correct in all of this.
    Adam has stated his discontent for Planet.
    Barry has backed the service he has from Planet.

    I fail to see the relevance in the link, although, not having listened
to
  the
    real audio interview (because i refuse to install real audio on a slow
  P133
    laptop and the work computer doesn't allow real audio streams though the
    firewall), I don't know what went on.

    Don't take this as a personal attack however, I just am merely stating
the
  fact
    of your average computer user.

    I can see the point in Adam not taking legal action in the $500+ as it
  would
    probably cost just as much in legal fees. But I can see how this could
be
    warranted as a "serious" allegation against a company. As Trent
correctly
    pointed out however, if you don't like a place, don't shop there.

    Lets bring this thread to a close now shall we? as the morel of the
story
  is:
    Everyone's had more than their 2c worth.

    Cheers
    -Edwin


    Quoting info§australianwebsites.com:

    > As I pointed out a new and extremely serious issue / allegation
    > was initiated by Adam on this list.
    >
    > Re - relevance: Perhaps someone should have updated the
    > subject of the thread as it was in fact a new issue and
    > allegation raised by Adam which as far as I could see had
    > no relevance at all to the original post by Jim.
    >
    > Re - "2. False accusation? You posted the link."
    >
    > You accused me of
    >
    > "and digging up articles on the poster"
    >
    > which had no basis in truth whatsoever.
    >
    > See post by Glenn on the 20th March 2005.
    >
    > If you don't think thats not a false accusation
    > what do you think is?
    >
    > PS. I am quite content to see your definition of a false accusation
    > without replying to it, and I definitely won't be, regardless of how
    > innacurate it may be.
    >
    > So the last reply is all yours if you want it.
    >
    >
    > Regards
    > Barry Armstrong
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   From: trent§sos.net.au
    >   To: dns§dotau.org
    >   Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:07 PM
    >   Subject: Re: [DNS] Bottle Domains - transfer issues URGENT HELP
  PLease.
    >
    >
    >   1. I'm not a supporter of anyone in this ongoing flame war. Adam may
    >   have thanked me, that's his choice, I wasn't praising him by any
    >   stretch.... I don't support his post on the list either. If I have a
    >   problem with a registrar, or any business I purchase from, I take my
    >   business elsewhere, it's that simple.
    >
    >   2. False accusation? You posted the link. It doesn't matter who held
  the
    >   interview, who typed the original or who edited it and submitted it
on
    >   that site. You posted it on this list. I didn't "accuse" you of
    >   anything, I was trying to point out that if you ignored the post you
    >   felt was irrelevant, it would go away. Instead you have given it
    >   strength by continuing to drag it along. The only sad thing is you
  can't
    >   see that. The last word is all you are interested in, like a dog
    >   worrying a long stripped bone.
    >
    >   Hell, if you had stuck to your thought about irrelevance I WOULD
have
    >   been applauding... and it would have been YOU I was applauding!
    >   I doubt you would complain then. No, it's obvious that the last word
  is
    >   all you are interested in, like a dog worrying an aged, long
stripped
    >   bone. It's a shame you didn't stick to your guns, such is life.
    >
    >   Don't worry you can have the last word on this, as I know you are
    >   busting to do so. I unlike you, won't be replying to this thread as
  the
    >   original fellow is no doubt in discussions with the pleasant people
at
    >   Bottle Domains, who, although I don't have a business relationship
  with
    >   them, I would recommend their personnel to anyone from previous
  experience.
    >
    >   P.S. Unnamed? I've noticed that OPSM have great deals on glasses.
    >
    >   info§australianwebsites.com wrote:
    >
    >   >To Adam I meant.
    >   >
    >   >I was not aware at the time that Adam had an un named supporter
    >   >who would make a false accusation.
    >   >
    >   >Copy below.
    >   >
    >   >Re - your email "digging up articles on the poster"
    >   >
    >   >It was actually in fact
    >   >
    >   >Glenn Powell who had the initiative to do some research and managed
    >   >to find and post the link
    >   >
    >   >http://www.abc.net.au/westernplains/stories/s1161799.htm
    >   >
    >   >in his post on the 20th March 2005.
    >   >
    >   >Its nice to see that at least one other member of this list has the
    > initiative
    >   >to do some research and try to see some actual facts when a serious
    > allegation
    >   >is raised, and if you read the article at
    >   >
    >   >http://www.abc.net.au/westernplains/stories/s1161799.htm
    >   >
    >   >I don't think anyone could accuse Glenn of having posted a link to
an
    > article
    >   >of a defamatory nature.
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >PS. As I am quite busy this will be my last reply to you too.
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >Regards
    >   >Barry Armstrong
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >  ----- Original Message -----
    >   >  From: trent§sos.net.au
    >   >  To: dns§dotau.org
    >   >  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:18 PM
    >   >  Subject: Re: [DNS] Bottle Domains - transfer issues URGENT HELP
  PLease.
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >  ...
    >   >
    >   >  info§australianwebsites.com wrote:
    >   >
    >   >  >...actually I am quite busy, ...so this will be my last reply.
    >   >  >
    >   >  >
    >   >  >Regards
    >   >  >Barry Armstrong
    >   >  >
    >   >
    >   >
    >
 
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