Interesting stuff.

First send your prospect an unsolicited bit of "free" trial software.
Then get them to read a licence agreement on your webite, that gives no
guarantee that it will actually be visible or accessible.

To quote: "You are granted a 30 days trial without charge. If the
software is not uninstalled from all computers before the 30 day mark
then you are liable to pay the license fees for the software." and
"License fees are $3630 upfront plus $252 per month inc GST for a
minimum of 48 months - a minimum commitment of $15762 inc GST."

That gives a whole new meaning to the term "not opt out", does it not?

To paraphrase that agreement, it really says "If you forget to opt out
of our opt-in-by-default trial software, you'll be liable for a minumum
of $15762.00.  The only opt-out option you have is to uninstall the
software.

You'll just have to trust us that the software will be properly and
completely uninstalled, because we have no vested interest whatsoever in
the possibility that you may be unwittingly liable for $15762.00 if it
isn't."

Their clauses under "Upgrades" also make interesting reading.  To quote:
"2.1 Unless explicitly stated otherwise any further upgrades or features
released 
shall also be subject to the terms of this license.",

... and ...

"2.2 Your license to an existing version of licensed materials may at
Intras (Australia) Pty Ltd discretion expire when further versions are
released."

These clauses paraphrased read "You agree to be bound by these terms for
all upgrades and pay the $15762.00, and we reserve the right to issue an
upgrade at any time.  When we do, we can cancel your existing license at
our discretion even if you don't use the upgrade, and you'll still have
to pay the $15762.00."

I'm not a lawyer, but ...
Ron Stark



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Rowe [mailto:josh§email.nu] 
> Sent: Monday, 23 February 2004 9:44 PM
> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: [DNS] INTRAS NetSecurity (Brad Norrish)
> 
> 
> Brad Norrish has started a new business called "INTRAS 
> (Australia) Pty Ltd" (ACN 107 068 931).
> 
> INTRAS NetSecurity (http://www.netsecurity.com.au/) is 
> sending out unsolicited letters and CD-ROMs by snail mail.
> 
> The CD-ROM claims to have virus/spyware/etc scanning and 
> prevention software.  I have not installed the contents of 
> the CD-ROM, so I have no idea whether these statements are 
> correct or not.
> 
> Has anyone else received any communication from INTRAS 
> NetSecurity?  If so have you installed their software and 
> worked out what it does?  Did you read and understand the End 
> User Licence Agreement (EULA)?  What is the licence fee for 
> the software?
> 
> I find it quite ironic that another one of Brad Norrish's 
> businesses (Internet Registrations WorldWide / SearchEx) 
> seems to be in the spyware provision business: 
> http://whatsinaname.com.au/slammers/#spyware
> 
> NetSecurity's pricing page
> (http://registration.netsecurity.com.au/v1/pricing.php) says this:
> 
> " ... 
> 
> 1. You enter into this agreement with us, Intras (Australia) 
> Pty Ltd. If you are entering this agreement on behalf of some 
> other person, you warrant that you have the authority to 
> enter into this agreement on behalf of that person, and you 
> agree to be liable for all their acts and omissions.
> 
> 2. You warrant that you are 18 years of age or over. 
> 
> 3. You are granted a 30 days trial without charge. If the 
> software is not uninstalled from all computers before the 30 
> day mark then you are liable to pay the license fees for the 
> software. 
> 
> 4. License fees are $3630 upfront plus $252 per month inc GST 
> for a minimum of 48 months - a minimum commitment of $15762 inc GST. 
> 
> 5. This contract is made in the state of Western Australia 
> and bound by the laws of the state of Western Australia.
> 
> ... "
> 
> 
> Here's what the snail mail letter says:
> 
> "Dear Internet/Computer Users,
> 
> Please find enclosed a computer CD Rom of Intras NetSecurity.
> 
> Intras NetSecurity is designed to help you prevent worms, 
> viruses, security flaws, backdoor entry vulernabilities, 
> spyware, adware, and/or Trojans to increase the level of 
> protection and security on your computer(s).
> 
> I.T. security issues cost the global economy billions of 
> dollars in direct costs and lost productivity every year.  
> Millions of credit cards and bank details are stolen each 
> year by Trojan horse programs.
> 
> Every other week there is a new malicious worm being created 
> by hackers. Melissa, SoBig, and the recent MyDoom are just a 
> few examples of worms that have crippled millions of machines 
> around the world.
> 
> Intras NetSecurity can assist you in detecting these 
> infections and ensure the user remains immune to the ever 
> evolving computer risks.  We invite you to download a trial 
> licence of Intras NetSecurity without charge.  There are 25 
> serial codes provided on the second page of this letter which 
> can be used to activate Intras NetSecurity within your 
> organisation for up to 25 users. Intras NetSecurity will 
> allow you to scan your computers for an immediate report on 
> the security issues detected.
> 
> There is absolutely no charge for the trial use.  We hope you 
> use Intras NetSecurity and benefit from it.  To install the 
> trial simply insert the CD Rom into the CD Rom drive and 
> follow the prompts.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Intras (Australia) Pty Ltd"
> 
> 
> The NetSecurity End License Users Agreement is here: 
> http://www.netsecurity.com.au/terms.html
> 
> " ... 
> 
> 7 LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
> 
> ... 
> 
> 7.4 In no event shall Intras (Australia) Pty Ltd's total 
> liability to you for all damages exceed $AU50.
> 
> ... "
> 
> 
> The "nslookup" query below shows that domain name is hosted 
> with ProWeb Solutions (domainserv§proweb.net.au) which is run 
> by Craig Oehlers (http://whatsinaname.com.au/slammers/#start).
> 
> 
> josh § whim [~] > nslookup 
> 
> > server ns1.domainserv.net
> Default Server:  ns1.domainserv.net
> Address:  216.74.95.2
> 
> > set type=soa
> > netsecurity.com.au
> Server:  ns1.domainserv.net
> Address:  216.74.95.2
> 
> netsecurity.com.au
>         origin = ns1.domainserv.net
>         mail addr = domainserv.proweb.net.au
>         serial = 2004012806
>         refresh = 28800 (8H)
>         retry   = 7200 (2H)
>         expire  = 3600000 (3600000)
>         minimum ttl = 86400 (1D)
> netsecurity.com.au      nameserver = ns1.domainserv.net
> netsecurity.com.au      nameserver = ns2.domainserv.net
> ns1.domainserv.net      internet address = 216.74.95.2
> ns2.domainserv.net   
> 
> 
> The web site looks like it has been written by "John Barker" 
> and "Vladimir Cvejanovic" according to the various 
> configuration files here: http://registration.netsecurity.com.au/v1/
> 
> This particular code: 
> http://registration.netsecurity.com.au/v1/dbconf.inc
> refers to a product called "emate".  The domain name 
> "emate.com.au" is registered to Brad Norrish:
> 
> http://whois.ausregistry.com.au/?domain=emate.com.au
> 
> Domain Name: emate.com.au
> Last Modified: 12-Jan-2004 07
> Registrar ID: R00012-AR
> Registrar Name: TPP Internet
> Status: ok
> 
> Registrant: Bradley Stedman Norrish
> Registrant ID: ABN 28477181616
> 
> Registrant ROID: C1413176-AR
> Registrant Contact Name: Bradley Norrish
> Registrant Email: brad§brad.com.au
> 
> Tech ID: C1413177-AR
> Tech Name: Bradley Norrish
> Tech Email: brad§brad.com.au
> 
> Name Server: ns1.domainserv.net
> Name Server: ns2.domainserv.net
> 
> 
> from: http://whois.ausregistry.com.au/?domain=netsecurity.com.au
> 
> Domain Name: netsecurity.com.au
> Last Modified: 28-Jan-2004 07
> Registrar ID: R00012-AR
> Registrar Name: TPP Internet
> Status: ok
> 
> Registrant: Bradley Stedman Norrish
> Registrant ID: ABN 28477181616
> 
> Registrant ROID: C1464165-AR
> Registrant Contact Name: Bradley Norrish
> Registrant Email: brad§brad.com.au
> 
> Tech ID: C1464166-AR
> Tech Name: Bradley Norrish
> Tech Email: brad§brad.com.au
> 
> Name Server: ns1.domainserv.net
> Name Server: ns2.domainserv.net
> 
> 
> from: http://whois.ausregistry.com.au/?domain=intras.com.au
> 
> Domain Name:             intras.com.au
> Last Modified:           Never Updated
> Registrar ID:            R00012-AR
> Registrar Name:          TPP Internet
> Status:                  ok
> 
> Registrant:              INTRAS (AUSTRALIA) PTY LTD
> Registrant ID:           ACN 107068931
> 
> Registrant ROID:         C1410249-AR
> Registrant Contact Name: Technical Hostmaster
> Registrant Email:        info§intras.com
> 
> Tech ID:                 C1410251-AR
> Tech Name:               Technical Hostmaster
> Tech Email:              info§intras.com
> 
> Name Server:             ns1.imcoserv.com
> Name Server:             ns2.imcoserv.com
> 
> 
> from: whois.enom.com
> 
> Registration Service Provided By: IMCO 
> Contact: info§imco.com 
> Visit: http://www.imco.com 
>   
> Domain name: intras.com 
>  
> Administrative Contact: 
>    IMCO 
>    Bradley Norrish (info§imco.com) 
>    +61.892252100 
>    Fax: +61.892257276 
>    PO Box Z5439 
>    Perth, WA 6000 
>    AU 
>  
> Billing Contact: 
>    IMCO 
>    Bradley Norrish (info§imco.com) 
>    +61.892252100 
>    Fax: +61.892257276 
>    PO Box Z5439 
>    Perth, WA 6000 
>    AU 
>  
> Technical Contact: 
>    IMCO 
>    Bradley Norrish (info§imco.com) 
>    +61.892252100 
>    Fax: +61.892257276 
>    PO Box Z5439 
>    Perth, WA 6000 
>    AU 
>  
> Registrant Contact: 
>    IMCO 
>    Bradley Norrish (info§imco.com) 
>    +61.892252100 
>    Fax: +61.892257276 
>    PO Box Z5439 
>    Perth, WA 6000 
>    AU 
>  
> Status: registrar-lock 
>  
> Name Servers: 
>    NS1.IMCOSERV.COM 
>    NS2.IMCOSERV.COM 
>     
> Creation date:  
> Expiration date: 17 Apr 2013 14:26:27
> 
> 
> ASIC extract:
> 
> Australian Company Number: 107 068 931
> Incorporated in: WESTERN AUSTRALIA
> Registration Date: 17/11/2003
> 
> Current Organisation Details
> ----------------------------
> Name      : INTRAS (AUSTRALIA) PTY LTD
> Name Start: 17/11/2003
> Status    : REGISTERED
> Type      : AUSTRALIAN PROPRIETARY COMPANY
> Class     : LIMITED BY SHARES
> Subclass  : PROPRIETARY COMPANY
> 
> Registered Office
> -----------------
> LEVEL 6 44 ST GEORGES TERRACE PERTH WA 6000
> Start Date: 17/11/2003
> 
> Principal Place of Business
> ---------------------------
> LEVEL 6 44 ST GEORGES TERRACE PERTH WA 6000
> Start Date: 17/11/2003
> 
> Directors
> ---------
> BRADLEY STEDMAN NORRISH
> Appointment Date: 17/11/2003
> 
> Share Structure
> ---------------
> Class: ORD
>        ORDINARY SHARES
> Number of Shares Issued          :         100
> Total Nominal Value              :           0.00
> Face Value per Share             :           0.00
> Total Paid on Shares Issued      :         100.00
> Total Unpaid on Shares Issued    :           0.00
> Total Paid on Premiums           :           0.00
> Balance of Share Premium Account :           0.00
> Number of Shares Entitled to     :           0
> Average Exercised Price per Share:           0.00
> 
> Share Holders
> -------------
> Class            : ORD       No. Held:         100                
> Beneficially Held: YES       Paid    : FULLY
> BRADLEY STEDMAN NORRISH
> 
> 
> 
> I am not aware of any information which suggests that INTRAS 
> NetSecurity is not a bonafide virus/spyware/etc scanning and 
> prevention product.
> 
> Brad Norrish + friends
> http://whatsinaname.com.au/slammers/
> 
> 
> Josh
> --
> http://josh.id.au/
> 
> 
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