Hello Sally,

These comments you made had me thinking:

>I am sure the new system may have some advantages over the old, I would 
>assume mainly in functionality for the Registrars who pay you for these 
>services. However for the average Registrant who infact pays for all
your >wages, including the $200,000 salaries of auDA, does not gain from
the new >system at all. I imagine they don't even care.

Who is the average Registrant? What do they Gain?

Currently by majority of numbers the average Registrant is still with
MelbourneIT. Their choice to stay with MIT is probably due to either:
brand power, loyalty or lack of knowledge of the new marketplace.

MIT customers (the average registrant) now benefits from:
* a dynamic DNS, so their delegation takes 2 seconds instead of 2 days.
* massive improvements in availability to net.au, org.au, etc.
* and "Possibly" a reduction in spam related material.


Every other registrant now benefits from the above, as well as; An
excellent choice of competitors for their business, who offer:
* to process your application within seconds,
* varied pricing,
* various degrees of customer service,
* good and bad domain management tools,
If they choose a Reseller, their Reseller now benefits from a choice of
Registrar with the most appropriate reseller interface, etc...


All of the wages?
Many new employment opportunities have been opened, directly with
Registrars, or indirectly with hosting and web-development due to the
massive growth.

Some 'different' people are getting rich.

Previously MIT used these profits to help get them up to 4th biggest
Registrar in the world.  At least now a lot of money has been put back
into the industry.  Actions have been taken against Industry Sharks,
Efforts made to educate domain owners and technical services have been
vastly improved. 




The Industry isn't perfect, but I'd say it is a darned sight better. 
Registrants are gaining from the new system, but maybe they still don't
care, that's up to them.








-----Original Message-----
From: Sally Jonas [mailto:sally_jonas§yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:05 PM
To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] Young Mr Guy

Adrian,

I am sure the new system may have some advantages over the old, I would
assume mainly in functionality for the Registrars who pay you for these
services. However for the average Registrant who infact pays for all
your wages, including the $200,000 salaries of auDA, does not gain from
the new system at all. I imagine they don't even care.

You - AUSREGISTRY - provide the tools and instructions on how to
download the whois database. Everything is in the public domain.

As for issuing challenges, you are basically asking everyone out there
to hack your systems. (By the way this is not necessary and I would not
know how to anyway).

Obviously Guy Fawkes (not me) knows how to get information so I am not
alone.

Perhaps auDA should start listening to people (those not in the old boys
club) when it starts
debating and issuing policies. I have heard many suggestions put forward
on this list that are totally ignored. Many are put down by those who
gain the most out of the current system. The board members (not all) are
only interested in serving themselves (many are reigstrars or have a
vested interest in the system). The current system is not "open and
transparent" or to the "benefit of all".

I could go on but who cares. Nobody listens. Everybody breaks the rules.









 --- Adrian Kinderis <adriank&#167;ausregistry.com.au> wrote: > All,
> 
> Please elaborate on how it is easier now than it was two years ago to 
> mine the .au database.
> 
> I am extremely confident that the system has maintained and will 
> continue to maintain significant advantages over what existed 
> previously.
> 
> The integrity of the database is our primary concern... and believe me
-
> it is intact!
> 
> Please feel free to contact Chris Wright (CTO). He is happy to hear
how
> you are able to obtain any information - in fact challenges you to
tell
> him so.
> 
> Adrian Kinderis
> MD - Sales and Marketing
> Level 6, 10 Queens Rd
> Melbourne Victoria 3004
> P: 03 9866 3710
> F: 03 9866 1970
> E: adriank&#167;ausregistry.com.au
> W: www.ausregistry.com.au
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sally Jonas [mailto:sally_jonas&#167;yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] Young Mr Guy
> 
> 
> > 
> > After control of the AUNIC Registry was moved to auDA, auDA made the 
> > decision to stop the uncontrolled access to the database.  This made
> things
> > more difficult for scammers, as they had to work from old copies of
> the
> > database which were gradually going out of date, or try and keep
them
> > up-to-date by querying aunicstatus for the latest data.
> > 
> This is a misconception. The way ausRegistry has structured and 
> developed the new Whois database has infact made it easier for 
> scammers to maintain and update their copies of the database.
> 
> > Restrictions were also introduced on the number of queries entities
> could
> > make.  This also made life harder for dodgy operators.  But, data
> fields
> > such as the 'expiry date' were still visible.
> > 
> It takes only a few lines of code to circumvent the number of queries 
> restriction
> 
> > When the .au Registry was moved to the new AusRegistry system, the
> 'expiry
> > date' (the critical field used by scam 'domain name renewal'
> operators) was
> > no longer visible - making things still more difficult for the dodgy
> folks.
> > 
> 
> While the 'expiry date' no longer is available it doesn't take a
genius
> to work out expiry dates.
> a) renewals are based on a 2 year cycle so the renewal dates fr the 
> 300,000 domains previously registered to july 2002 can be simply 
> calculated.
> b) it is fairly simple to, for example, work out what names where 
> registered this week.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > So the history of the .au Registry under auDA's supervision is a
> history of
> > changes that have gradually made things much more difficult for
shonky
> > domain name renewal operators.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Again the opposite infact it now makes it easier.
> 
> Perhaps ausRegistry should spend some of their well publicised profits 
> into creating a secure system. If they are not aware of the flaws 
> inbuilt into their systems then we should all be
> concerned.
> 
> Perhaps auDA should consider making the whois database available only
to
> registered entities.
> 
> The current system is open to abuse and while auDA has some control
over
> domain name scammers it
> still leaves the whois database open to spammers (A bigger problem for 
> the average user). Unfortunately this leads to government policies 
> being put in place
which
> IMHO restrict freedom of
> individuals. I'm sure Josh will disagree on this one.
> 
> Sally
> 
> 
>
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