what a load of double speak. you could just cut there access to your systems. the only way
this issue is ever going to be dealt effectively is if all registrars refuse to accept
applications from auda-consumer-alert-attractors.

we have done so, it may have limited our financial position in the short term
but in the long term everyone can only gain. so why cant you?

Vic

Nicholas Bolton [nick§bottledomains.com.au] wrote:
> Vic,
> 
> I'm not actually sure what you're asking of us.  Would you like us to  
> screen every domain name order for the sake of an organisation who puts  
> through one in every thousand or so names we process?
> 
> If an organisation wants to purchase a domain with a registrar/reseller  
> badly enough, they will get around any safeguards put in place.  Should  
> great resources industrywide, let alone the time we spend discussing  
> such matters, be spent protecting the .au space against such low volume  
> operators given that they have chosen to adhere to all .au policy in  
> the future, and admitted that previous marketing campaigns were an  
> inadvertent breach of .au policy.
> 
> Uregister are not an official .au reseller of Bottle Domains  
> (Australian Style Pty Ltd).  Should they submit an application for  
> official reseller status, it would be reviewed with all factors  
> considered.
> 
> If you want my honest opinion, the only way to solve such problems, is  
> to encourage all non-registrar/reseller operators in the domain  
> industry into reseller status.  This is the only way that they're bound  
> by the .au code of conduct, and therefore stricter action may be  
> enforced.    Do you want a further unregulated industry, where  
> operators are bound by little more than the trade practices act?  We're  
> trying to work with auDA not against them Vic.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Deus Ex Machina wrote:
> 
> > come on Nick thats the biggest cop out I have seen, so you are going to
> > quietly let all the transfers just roll in over the next few weeks?
> >
> > on you Nick for taking a stand against auda-consumer-alert-attractors.
> >
> > once aware we have repeatedly refused to take money from these types  
> > and
> > if uregister were my reseller I would have given them an instant  
> > marching order.
> >
> > I find it extremely disapointing that some registrars are not prepared
> > to take a stand against unethical behaviour and are just happy to watch
> > the transfers roll in.
> >
> > as a certainly talk show celeb would say: shame shame shame...
> >
> > Vic
> >
> >
> > Nicholas Bolton [nick§bottledomains.com.au] wrote:
> >> Vic,
> >>
> >> "what about your responsiblity to the misguided registrants whose
> >> transfers you are profiting from?"
> >>
> >> Bottle Domains ensures that all 'transfers in' from other registrars
> >> are done so in accordance with auDA guidelines.  i.e. the Registrant
> >> receives an email from Bottle Domains requesting authorisation to
> >> transfer.  This will clearly state the terms and conditions for
> >> transfer.  auDA policy is developed such that a registrant should not
> >> be misled in this circumstance.
> >>
> >> "What action will you be taking to prevent uregister from  
> >> "temporarily"
> >> modifying registrant details to self-authorise transfers? how many  
> >> such
> >> self-authorised transfers have taken place?"
> >>
> >> Are you talking about transfers into or out of Bottle Domains?
> >> Obviously we have no control over other registrars, and how they
> >> administer their domain name contacts, (unless of course we offered
> >> 'virtual registrar services' like yourself).  How are you going to
> >> prevent a customer armed with an Enetica username and password from
> >> modifying Enetica sponsored contacts?  Regardless, we are not aware of
> >> any such transfers taking place.
> >>
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 05:23 PM, Deus Ex Machina wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nick,
> >>>
> >>> Nicholas Bolton [nick§bottledomains.com.au] wrote:
> >>>> Vic,
> >>>>
> >>>> By auDA definition uregister are not a .au reseller of Bottle  
> >>>> Domains.
> >>>> They have chosen not to participate in our reseller program, nor  
> >>>> have
> >>>> they agreed to our reseller terms and conditions.
> >>>
> >>> nevertheless they have access to your reseller system? surely they  
> >>> are
> >>> a reseller
> >>> in the common sense of the word? so are you claiming they have
> >>> registered less then 10 domains?
> >>>
> >>>> If auDA requests that all registrars restrict the sale of .au  
> >>>> domains
> >>>> to this entity, then of course we will honour our registrar
> >>>> responsibilities.
> >>>
> >>> so what action will you be taking against uregister? are you saying
> >>> you will quietly pocket all money they send your way or are you
> >>> prepared to shut down
> >>> whatever access they have to your reseller system?
> >>>
> >>> what about your responsiblity to the misguided registrants whose
> >>> transfers
> >>> you are profiting from? will you be returning any monies relating to
> >>> the auda
> >>> consumer alert? if not what action will you be taking in relation to
> >>> the consumer alert?
> >>>
> >>> what action will you be taking to prevent uregister from  
> >>> "temporarily"
> >>> modifying
> >>> registrant details to self-authorise transfers? how many such
> >>> self-authorised
> >>> transfers have taken place?
> >>>
> >>> Vic
> >>>
> >>>
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