> It is extremely unusual that the very alert people in this > list are not aware of related issues and documents that are > generally circulated. Ha. 'Scuse me while I larf. Unfortunately its the norm for many people posting to this list to never read (and more importantly, think through the implications of) the information that is publicly available. > I don't believe that the messages aren't getting through > due to the ignorance or stupidity of the audiences - do you? Well, for many of them I reckon the only two options are either stupidity or maliciousness. But I for one am prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are not malicious. Regarding publicly available material, we know that RegistrarsAsia isn't a .au Registrar, or Reseller of a .au Registrar, because the lists of those are publicly available. And we also know that RegistrarsAsia 'ain't much of a gTLD Registrar either. The State of the Domain report from SnapNames shows that as a gTLD Registrar, RegistrarsAsia was Registrar for 1,216 gTLDs at the end of Q1 2002 (93rd ranked Registrar) and was Registrar for 1,322 gTLDs at the end of Q2 2002 (98th ranked Registrar). Their market share in the gTLD market is so small it shows as 0.00%. I reckon RegistrarsAsia has taken the sensible view that operating a Registry is a better business model than being a Registrar. Good on 'em. The list of Resellers on the auDA site is a good read. If I was an accredited Registrar, I'd sure make it a high priority to send every organisation on that list a well thought out presentation suggesting that the current .au Registrar that they're dealing with is grossly overcharging them, and that they'd save money if they changed Registrar. Its an age old business strategy to try and ensure that your competitors don't retain lucrative accounts - you either want to get the business from your competitor (first preference), or if you can't do that (2nd preference), try and ensure the business they retain isn't a cash cow that funds competition against you in other areas. Pointing out to all those Resellers on the auDA list that they're paying too much to their existing Registrar might at least might prod them to negotiate a lower price from their existing Registrar, thereby reducing the resources available to that Registrar. But as I'm not a .au Registrar, I'll leave it up to others to implement this strategy if they choose :) Regards, Mark Effective Business Applications Pty Ltd +61 4 1374 3959 www.pplications.com.au effectivebusiness§pplications.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Phil Wright [mailto:newsstuff§network.au.com] Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 11:44 AM To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups Chris you say "This was made clear in various announcements and documents published by auDA at the time the tender was finalised" Where were these documents published and what were the heading titles??? In what way were they made public? It is extremely unusual that the very alert people in this list are not aware of related issues and documents that are generally circulated. Even the ones issued by auDA that are not included in this list usually get picked up in detail. Perhaps the auDA publicity machine needs a little oil as obviously the messages are not getting through to the intended receivers? I don't believe that the messages aren't getting through due to the ignorance or stupidity of the audiences - do you? In my professional experience and judgement; the responsibility of miscommunication falls squarely upon the sender not the receiver. Please take this as a light general but constructive criticism from me, of the way auDA communicates with "all stakeholders". ** - quote from the About auDA page on your website http://www.auda.org.au/about/ I believe that a survey of all Australians between 12 and 60 would reveal that only about 5-8% have even heard of auDA let alone understand it's role. These low figures are reflected back to me by other consultants who are trying to educate their client bases and from my own client-base. Even many IT consultants and managers still do not know of your existence - fortunately for your organisation, we attempt to educate them for you when we discover their lack of exposure to auDA. I believe that such mis-communication is gravely effecting the wide public realisation of accountability and understanding of the local .au rules, regulations, market climate and procedures. Phil Wright -----Original Message----- From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au] Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 10:07 AM To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups Just for clarity, there is no secret to the relationship between Registrars Asia and AusRegistry. Under the terms of the Registry Licence Agreement (to which auDA, AusRegistry and Registrars Asia are all parties) Registrars Asia agree not to conduct registrar business in .au. However, there is nothing to prevent them from continuing to act as a registrar in other ccTLD spaces or the gTLD spaces. This was made clear in various announcements and documents published by auDA at the time the tender was finalised. Pursuant to this agreement, at the commencement of the new regime, Registrars Asia ceased to act as a registrar in .au and the registrant clients they held as a Melbourne IT reseller reverted back to MIT. Hopefully this provides an explanation for those who have neither the wit nor the ethics to check publicly available information prior to making derogatory comments. Regards, Chris Disspain CEO - auDA ceo§auda.org.au www.auda.org.au -----Original Message----- From: Chris Berkeley [mailto:magic2147§optushome.com.au] Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 9:47 To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups On 10 Jul 2002 at 19:15, Adrian Kinderis wrote: Send reply to: dns§lists.auda.org.au From: "Adrian Kinderis" <adriank§ausregistry.com.au> To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> Date sent: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:15:42 +1000 Subject: RE: [DNS] WHOIS lookups > Cyrille, > > I agree with you. > > That is why we have added certain IP addresses to the "blacklist" > exemption. This is a temporary measure for the resellers until the > registrars are able to offer these services. > > The last thing we need is the whois database being harvested. > > Adrian Kinderis > MD - Sales and Marketing > AusRegistry Pty. Ltd. > Level 6, 10 Queens Rd. > Melbourne, Victoria. 3004 > P: 03 9866 3710 > F: 03 9866 1970 > E: adriank§ausregistry.com.au > W: www.ausregistry.com.au Apropos of previous correspondence, has anyone else noticed the correspondence between the fax number of Ausregistry ie. 03 9866 1970 and RegistrarsAsia ie. 03 9866 1970. How can we be sure that there is no data sharing by these two entities when they do not have either the wit, ethical sensitivity or apparently the resources to arrange separate fax facilities? Please explain. cb ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the author, further information at the above URL. 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