Note that this is not unique to the .au space either.  It also applies to
all gTLDs and has since the space was deregulated in 1999.  

jon


>-- Original Message --
>Reply-To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
>Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:37:36 +1000
>From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc&#167;cia.com.au>
>To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>Subject: Re: [DNS] Fwd: Re: [DNS] Melbourne IT - slow speed, laxsecurity
>and poor quality of
>
>
>
>hi,
>
>perhaps you should inform the non-subscriber that auDA require
>that the registrant has a direct contract with the registrar.
>so ordinarily he would be correct but not in the .au case.
>
>
>Vic
>
>Kim Davies [kim&#167;cynosure.com.au] wrote:
>> 
>> Post from a non-subscriber...
>> 
>> kim
>> 
>> --
>> http://www.kjd.info
>
>> 
>> > Return-Path: <km&#167;km.com.au>
>> > Received: (qmail 355 invoked by uid 102); 13 Aug 2002 22:08:36 -0000
>> > Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (139.134.6.96)
>> >   by ns1.auda.org.au with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 22:08:36 -0000
>> > Received: from km.com.au ([144.135.24.87]) by
>> >           mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw
>May
>> >           23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0SYUA00.G4B; Wed, 14 Aug
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>> > Message-ID: <3D5983E8.C51EBEA8&#167;km.com.au>
>> > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:10:48 +1000
>> > From: Kelvin Markham <km&#167;km.com.au>
>> > Organization: Salamanca Promotions
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>> > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>> > Subject: Re: [DNS] Melbourne IT - slow speed, laxsecurity and poor
quality
>of
>> >  service
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>> > 
>> > I don't see the reseller relationship as an agency at all, the reseller
>> > purchses a service at wholesale (a price advantage for buying in 'bulk')
>> > and then resells at a price they negotiate on their own behalf. This
>is
>> > not an 'agency', the reseller is acting as principal, setting their
own
>> > prices according to the market. If it were an agency, the registrant
>> > would set the price, the reseller would collect the money on behalf
of
>> > the registrant and the registrant would pay the reseller a commission
>or
>> > fee for their assistance, and the customer would 'belong' to the
>> > registrar. On the contrary, the arrangment as it stands means that
the
>> > end user customer 'belongs' to the reseller, not the registrar, and
>> > apart from administering the domain, the registrar has no business
or
>> > right to contact the customer and solicit their business directly.
>> > Otherwise I believe they are not looking after their real 'customer',
>> > who is not the registrant, actually it is the reseller. Get it?
>> > 
>> > KM
>> > 
>> > Jon Lawrence wrote:
>> > >
>> > > As the registration agreement is between the registrant and the registrar,
>> > > the reseller is then acting as an agent of the registrar.
>> > >
>> > > Surely then the registrar is contractually bound to service the registrant
>> > > under the terms of that registration agreement, in the case where
the
>registrant
>> > > elects to no longer deal with the reseller?
>> > >
>> > > jon
>> > >
>> > > >-- Original Message --
>> > > >Reply-To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>> > > >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:07:13 +0200
>> > > >From: Kim Davies <kim&#167;cynosure.com.au>
>> > > >To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>> > > >Subject: Re: [DNS] Melbourne IT - slow speed, laxsecurity and poor
>quality
>> > > >of service
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Quoting Ian Smith on Wednesday August 14, 2002:
>> > > >|
>> > > >|  > There are really only three parties. If you choose to use a
Reseller
>> > > >|  > instead of going direct, that's your own fault. There will
also
>be
>> > > >|  > people reselling products no matter what it is.
>> > > >|
>> > > >| What if a domain's registrar says that you won't be able to deal
>with
>> > > >| them directly, but must use one of their resellers?
>> > > >
>> > > >Well, when I say "it's your own fault" I don't mean to imply going
>> > > >through a reseller is always bad. If a registrar wants to be wholesale
>> > > >only I don't see any problem with that. But the reseller should
be
>clear
>> > > >to the end user whom they are actually entering a contract with.
>> > > >
>> > > >kim
>> > > >
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>> > 
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>> > 121 A Main Rd.,
>> > Austins Ferry,
>> > Tasmania 7011
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