Ian, thanks for your informative response, Mine is delayed by my first holiday with my kids in years, no excuse I know .. Skimming through where this thread wandered off to, I'll take on board David Keegel's advice to copy Jo Lim also, and will try to simplify my main point first: that the .asn.au eligibility description on AusRegistry is incorrect and is (in my view) misleading when compared to AuDA's current published policy, both at the date of my original post below and as I've checked again tonight (noting two changes on the AuDA site!) On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Ian Johnston wrote: > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:11:43 +1000 > From: Ian Johnston <ian.johnston§infobrokers.com.au> > To: DNS <dns§auda.org.au> > Cc: "Chris Disspain, CEO auDA" <ceo§auda.org.au>, > Ian Smith <smithi§nimnet.asn.au> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Incorrect .asn.au eligibility description on AusRegistry > > Ian > > I raised this issue of an apparent change of .asn.au eligibility > policy with Chris Disspain and Jo Lim (AusRegistry present) at the > auDA public Seminar in Canberra recently. > > I did so on the basis that the Small Business Coalition > <www.setel.com.au/sbcmembers/index.htm> is a coalition of registered > small business associations, but it is not an incorporated association > and therefore would not be eligible to apply for a .asn.au domain > name. So associations that formed "partnership" arrangements would > not be eligible for a .asn.au domain name on my interpretation of the > proposed eligibility policy. That'd be a shame. Perhaps the aim is to water it down to a easy one-liner, thinking that people can't take in more than one point? In my initial post, which you quoted and I've left in full below for reference, the .asn.au definition, as quoted from the then: http://www.auda.org.au/register/ still included "partnerships between disparate organisations." However I see tonight that has since been replaced by just: ======= . asn.au Open. For incorporated associations, political parties, trade unions, sporting and special interest clubs. ======= > Chris said he would address this issue and his response to me was > positive. Hopefully, your concern will also be addressed. My concern is that the description at the main AusRegistry .asn.au page: http://www.ausregistry.com.au/domains/asnau.html is misleading for current and new .asn.au registrants alike, still saying: ======= Who is eligible to register an .asn.au domain name? Strict policy ensures that only Australian incorporated associations, political parties, industry bodies and sporting interest groups are eligible for asn.au domain names. ======= Surely this phrase 'sporting interest groups' appears to exclude all NON-sporting 'special interest clubs', contrary to ANY of the published AuDA definitions over time, including (presumably still authoritative): http://www.auda.org.au/docs/auda-policy-rules.pdf I also suspect that the words 'group' and 'club' may not necessarily be legally synonymous. AuDA lists specific requirements for identification of special interest clubs. Surely AuDA's own wording must be presented to potential applicants as definitive of the eligibility requirements for any 2LD.au domain name? Will Registrars start picking up on AusRegistry's definitions of policy as opposed to AuDA's wording? Does AuDA have any say? Does the ACCC? > Someone - not the auDA Board that I can see from published Board > decisions - appears to have rewritten the eligibility policy at the > implementation stage. How may that have happened? Surely changing eligibility for applying within any 2LD.au would require some sort of decision to be published, with reasons given for altering the (accepted) Panel recommendations? > IMO, the current policy should stand, unless there are compelling > reasons for changing the policy and they are published. > > I'm was a Name Policy Advisory Panel Member. > > > Ian Indeed, and thanks again. However I'm (selfishly I know) currently most concerned about the (in my view) misleading material on the AusRegistry site when compared to even the currently defined policy, and hope AuDA can do something about that. Thanks to AuDA for publishing non-PDF versions of Domain Name Eligibility and Allocation Policy Rules for Open 2LDs http://www.auda.org.au/docs/auda-2002-07.txt and Guidelines for Accredited Registrars on the Interpretation of Policy Rules for Open 2LDs http://www.auda.org.au/docs/auda-2002-17.txt with which I have no problems (as far as I know :) Cheers, Ian [----------- remainder of message quoted unadorned -----------] > > -- > Ian Johnston, Policy Consultant > Small Enterprise Telecommunications Centre (SETEL) > www.setel.com.au mailto:ian.johnston§setel.com.au > 02 6258 3409 (B/F) 02 6259 7777 (B) 0413 990 112 (M) > > SETEL is a national small business consumer association > advancing the interest of Australian small business > as telecommunications and e-commerce consumers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Smith [mailto:smithi§nimnet.asn.au] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:20 AM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: [DNS] Incorrect .asn.au eligibility description on > AusRegistry > > > AuDA and all, > > On checking out www.ausregistry.com.au nine days prior to the new > system > 'going live', I was somewhat concerned to find their stated > eligibility > requirements for .asn.au domains would exclude our association .. so I > dug through all this one more time; yes I've been keeping an eye on > it! > > I've reformatted most quotes below for mail readability: > > from the current http://www.auda.org.au/register/ > ======= > .asn.au > Associations and Non-Profit Organisations > The .asn.au domain serves for incorporated bodies, political > parties, > trade unions, sporting and special interest clubs, and > partnerships > between disparate organisations. > Registrar: Connect West > ======= > > hunting back via http://www.auda.org.au/policy/panel-name-2000/ > ======= > Name Policy Advisory Panel > [..] > Status > > The Panel's final recommendations were approved by the auDA Board on > 8 May 2001. auDA aims to implement the Panel's recommendations by > the end of the year. A full implementation plan and timetable will > be published shortly. > > Panel Publications > [..] > 11 May 2001 Final Report on Domain Name eligibility and Allocation > Criteria > ======= > > that is, http://www.auda.org.au/docs/auda-name-eligibility-final.html > ======= > Table A: Purpose of Open 2LDs > > asn.au For 'associations'. Includes associations incorporated under > specific state legislation, some incorporated bodies, > political > parties, trade unions, sporting and special interest clubs and > 'partnerships' between disparate organisations. > ======= > > Now the table at http://www.ausregistry.com.au/domains/au.html also > says: > ======= > asn.au For 'associations'. Includes associations incorporated under > specific state legislation, some incorporated bodies, > political > parties, trade unions, sporting and special interest clubs and > 'partnerships' between disparate organisations. > ======= > > However, ignoring the graphics, the introductory .asn.au page at > http://www.ausregistry.com.au/domains/asnau.html states: > ======= > "joining the community" > > Who is eligible to register an .asn.au domain name? > > Strict policy ensures that only Australian incorporated > associations, > political parties, industry bodies and sporting interest groups are > eligible for asn.au domain names. > ======= > > (end quotes) > > The sentence above replaces AuDA's "sporting and special interest > clubs" > with "sporting interest groups" which is a different (subset) of > bodies > altogether, appearing to exclude NON-sporting special interest clubs, > including social clubs, common law unincorporated associations and > other > bodies which are eligible given they can demonstrate legal acceptance. > > AusRegistry's primary (only) definition (stated as "strict policy") > also omits AuDA's "partnerships between disparate organisations". > > Perhaps AuDA might suggest some wording here that is not misleading, > especially for would-be new applicants who might read no further or > be none the wiser regarding the range of bodies eligible to licence > .asn.au domains? > > Perhaps a link to the full AuDA Eligibility and Allocation Policy > Rules > for (here eg) .asn.au, as qualified by the rules for all open 2LD, > would > not go amiss, to save inordinate amounts of hunting (or > discouragement) > for the uninitiated? > > >From the current http://www.auda.org.au/docs/auda-policy-rules.pdf > ======= > 1. To be eligible for a domain name in the asn.au 2LD, registrants > must be: > a) an association incorporated in any Australian State or Territory; > or > b) a political party registered with the Australian Electoral > Commission; or > c) a trade union or other organisation registered under the Workplace > Relations Act 1996; or > d) a sporting or special interest club operating in Australia. > ======= > > People with interest in .org.au might wish to scrutinise the > description > at http://www.ausregistry.com.au/domains/orgau.html in similar vein? > > Also and finally, from http://www.ausregistry.com.au/domains/idau.html > ======= > By registering an .id.au domain name Australian individuals can now > be > fully represented on the web. It is the only domain name that does > not > require the registrant to be a commercial entity. > ======= > > The latter sentence is also inaccurate - re both .asn.au and .org.au > > Cheers, Ian > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ > Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of > the > author, further information at the above URL. (321 subscribers.) > > >Received on Fri Oct 03 2003 - 00:00:00 UTC
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