Hi All,
FWIW,   I do not support everything Ginger De Plume says, but I do support
his right to say it.

I  think that much of the domain name  poaching in Australia is unhelpful to
the credible growth of the Internet industry.

Individuals should be allowed (and I believed encouraged) to draw attention
to questionable practices of commercial operators who seek to grow their
businesses through confusing and/or deceptive poaching.  ING is a classic
case in point, where most of us could see that the business was being
deceptive in its practices - but we were  powerless to do anything about it.

 We could only hope that the legal authorities (as well as those empowered
to manage the domain name space in Australia)   would act.  As it was, it
took many months for any legal action.  And from what I gather, the
deceptive practices are continuing virtually unabated.  And it is
significantly worse if others think it is ok to emulate them.

Plus I think that Ginger's comments and approach add to the flavour and
diversity of this list.    IMO,  Humour ain't bad, especially when it
carries a message.


Cheers
Richard



----- Original Message -----
From: "David G Thompson" <dgt&#167;dthompson.wattle.id.au>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DNS] Discount Domains and the ACCC


> Cyrille the Fever (sic) / Ginger <insert your own silly non de plume>
Fish,
>
> Your accusations, deputations and (meta) manifestos directed to this
> list in recent times are at best tiresome and at worst the product of a
> under informed mind with a feeble grip on such salient issues as:
>
> Public Administration;
> Industry Self Regulation;
> Consumer Protection Law; and
> Marketing Ethics.
>
> An Abat-jour Ginger Poisson (aka Blind Ginger Fish) could see through
> your hazily sketched lines of logic, grubby accusations and (virtual)
> Kangaroo court constructions.
>
> Grow up please. From the Californian hot tub
>
> -DGT
>
>
>
>
>
> Ginger Fish wrote:
>
> >For those who are unclear, the following correspondence was received by
an
> >..au registrant who had had no prior dealings with Discount Domain Name
> >Services whatsoever.
> >
>
>http://www.scifi-art.com/ginger-investigations/another_one_for_the_ACCC.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Interesting that Rod Keys doesn't consider his very recent marketing
> >deceptive. Perhaps he should read a little of the recent court orders
> >relating to ING as noted below.
> >
> >THE COURT ORDERS BY CONSENT THAT:
> >
> >Upon the first respondent, by its counsel, undertaking that until the
> >hearing
> >and determination of the proceeding, or until further order:
> >[snip]
> >
> >(c) represents that it has a pre-existing relationship with a person, if
in
> >truth it does not, in particular, by stating that there is such a
> >relationship
> >or by describing its notices as "Renewal Advices" or by an invitation to
> >"confirm" a renewal or by addressing its notices to "accounts payable".
The
> >notices it sends to those persons to whom it does not have a pre-existing
> >relationship will include the statement:  "You do not have to renew your
> >domain name registration through ING" (such statement to appear in the
body
> >of
> >the text (in the same size and font as that text) on the front page of
the
> >notices);  etc. etc.
> >
> >
> >*************************************************************************
> >=========================================================================
> >Historical records re: Mr Rod Keys:
> >=========================================================================
> >*************************************************************************
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Rod Keys [mailto:info&#167;safeway.com.au]
> >>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:09 PM
> >>To: ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com
> >>Subject: COC>
> >>
> >>Hi
> >>I am on the comittee but we are unable to comment until the COC is in
the
> >>public domain we will then listen to your comments and work with them
> >>Regards,
> >>Rod Keys
> >>Director
> >>DDNS
> >>8/118 Church St,
> >>Hawthorn, Vic, 3122
> >>Ph 03 9815 6868
> >>Fax 03 9815 6800
> >>rod&#167;ddns.biz
> >>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:29 PM
> >To: Dns&#167;Lists.Auda.Org.Au
> >Subject: [DNS] Discount Domains and the ACCC
> >
> >
> >
> >And here we have another case for the ACCC. Please refer to the following
> >correspondence received by an Australian consumer from Discount Domain
Name
> >Services late last week:
> >
>
>http://www.scifi-art.com/ginger-investigations/another_one_for_the_ACCC.jpg
> >
> >
> >Interesting that Rod Keys doesn't consider his very recent marketing
> >deceptive. Perhaps he should read a little of the recent court orders
> >relating to ING as noted below.
> >
> >THE COURT ORDERS BY CONSENT THAT:
> >
> >Upon the first respondent, by its counsel, undertaking that until the
> >hearing
> >and determination of the proceeding, or until further order:
> >[snip]
> >
> >(c) represents that it has a pre-existing relationship with a person, if
in
> >truth it does not, in particular, by stating that there is such a
> >relationship
> >or by describing its notices as "Renewal Advices" or by an invitation to
> >"confirm" a renewal or by addressing its notices to "accounts payable".
The
> >notices it sends to those persons to whom it does not have a pre-existing
> >relationship will include the statement:  "You do not have to renew your
> >domain name registration through ING" (such statement to appear in the
body
> >of
> >the text (in the same size and font as that text) on the front page of
the
> >notices);  etc. etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >*************************************************************************
> >=========================================================================
> >Historical records re: Mr Rod Keys:
> >=========================================================================
> >*************************************************************************
> >
> >
> >DOMAIN NAME AUTHORITY OF AUSTRALIA (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> >                   -A PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED .AU REGISTRAR
> >HISTORY:
> >"Scam claim over com.au reselling.
> > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html
> >
> >"Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has been
> >writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date,
> >offering to renew their names."
> >
> >"Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> >"Domain name resellers blockade rival company"
> >http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Rod Keys [mailto:rod&#167;ddns.com.au]
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:20 PM
> >To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> >
> >dead and buried 2 years ago...move on....
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ginger Fish" <ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com>
> >To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:11 PM
> >Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> >
> >>oh my god.call the poliiiiice!!
> >>
> >>Rod, unlike you ( see below ) i am not trying to deceive anybody ..
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Rod Keys [mailto:info&#167;safeway.com.au]
> >>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:09 PM
> >>To: ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com
> >>Subject: COC
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi
> >>I am on the comittee but we are unable to comment until the COC is in
the
> >>public domain we will then listen to your comments and work with them
> >>Regards,
> >>Rod Keys
> >>Director
> >>DDNS
> >>8/118 Church St,
> >>Hawthorn, Vic, 3122
> >>Ph 03 9815 6868
> >>Fax 03 9815 6800
> >>rod&#167;ddns.biz
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >=========================================================================
> >=========================================================================
> >=========================================================================
> >*************************************************************************
> >
> >Rod Keys, if you think we're out to get you, you're DAMN RIGHT.
> >
> >Sleep well.
> >Ginger
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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