<< Calm down... >> Sorry, i had bad dreams last night, i dreamed Sasha was appointed as CEO of auDA ... my apologies. Please allow me to get this thread back on topic : > it's an domain name industry plot to make sure that registrants renew > their domain names in a timely manner Gald that someone saw this.. maybe not a conspiracy but the reality is how do you prove the "Truth in Domain Names" ? How do you substancally argue that someone used a any name for a web site name to 'trick minors' into visiting pornographic materials? If a minor gets to an adult site there are warnings... of which children will sort out this sort of thing on there own accord anyway, no tricks just kids being kids. No compensation for good parental supervision or lockout programs for kids to surf the net. It will not substantially protect this happening.. it does not mean that it will stop or can be protected against when its an after the fact occourance.. It was simply made the public aware of certain practices to ensure that people look after there names when minors are involved. It will be interesting to see how long it takes someone to sue under this and actually win. Educate not legislate. Regards, Michael-Pappas. -----Original Message----- From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda§michael-pappas.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:35 PM To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: RE: [DNS] Is this the type of thing we want? Ginger, Calm down... you have just changed this thread form a discusion on legislation on domain use to ING's conduct and your anger over it... I'm not really sure how the thread got you thinking about them... they have nothing to do with the registering droped names... only registered ones... The whole thing about this was educating people about what can happen if they let there name go. Not about tranfers between registrars or resellers in the .au domain space. > What if ING gets out of that without a scratch and go on dong what they > do, what are you guys going to do about it ( apart from whinging on > this list) ? What if? What if? What if? Let's wait and see. Regards, Michael-Pappas. > You know, educating people is not very easy and especially in the > Domain Name industry, it leads to confusion, with all these companies > having almost similar names .... as i said before, it is already hard > to make lots of people understand anything about the .com.au allocation > policy, it is an industry that has LOTS of competition.. legislation to > get rid of the bad apples in the industry is the first step, can't you > see all the bad that ING and all the scammers are already doing in this > industry, people reading articles about a few scammers everyday will > assume that the whole industry is rotten at the core ( which is not far > from the truth anyway ) , with that people will indeed start to get > their domain name somewhere else, and this is how they educate > themselves, you can cry out loud that you're the good guy and you don't > abuse but it is no use, people will just go somewhere else, end of > story. If auDA had moved to do something a long time ago ( like > suspending ING and calling the ACCC years ago when they started to be > aware of their practice, instead of waiting for the ACCC to get in and > use it as a shield ) and if Melbourne IT had the guts to get rid of > them ( despite the fact that ING is a cash cow for Melbourne IT ) > early, this industry wouldn't be the joke it is right now ...But saying > that, it seems everything seems to go in the right direction now, and > better late than never, and credits go to the people that complained in > the first place, then to the ACCC and of course auDA. > > I have a question for you guys : > What if ING gets out of that without a scratch and go on dong what they > do, what are you guys going to do about it ( apart from whinging on > this list) ? > > Ginger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda§michael-pappas.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:56 PM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Is this the type of thing we want? > > > Ginger, > > Talking about the people who can get tricked, end users. Not the people > who do the tricks... they already know to much for there own good. > > Michael. > >> "Educate not legislate." >> >> Ok Michael, your mission is to educate the folks at ING. Good Luck ! >> >> Ginger >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda§michael-pappas.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:59 PM >> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >> Subject: Re: [DNS] Is this the type of thing we want? >> >> >> >>> it's an domain name industry plot to make sure that registrants renew >>> their domain names in a timely manner >> >> Gald that someone saw this.. maybe not a conspiracy but the reality is >> how do you prove the "Truth in Domain Names" ? >> >> How do you substancally argue that someone used a any name for a web >> site name to 'trick minors' into visiting pornographic materials? >> >> If a minor gets to an adult site there are warnings... of which >> children will sort out this sort of thing on there own accord anyway, >> no tricks just kids being kids. >> >> No compensation for good parental supervision or lockout programs for >> kids to surf the net. >> >> It will not substantially protect this happening.. it does not mean >> that it will stop or can be protected against when its an after the >> fact >> occourance.. It was simply made the public aware of certain practices >> to ensure that people look after there names when minors are involved. >> >> It will be interesting to see how long it takes someone to sue under >> this and actually win. >> >> Educate not legislate. >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael-Pappas. >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dassa" <dassa§dhs.org> >>> To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:15 PM >>> Subject: RE: [DNS] Is this the type of thing we want? >>> >>> >>>> |> -----Original Message----- >>>> |> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] >>>> |> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:31 PM >>>> |> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >>>> |> Subject: RE: [DNS] Is this the type of thing we want? >>>> |> >>>> |> >>>> |> I disagree, I reckon it's pretty good thinking ! >>>> |> >>>> |> Ginger >>>> >>>> Why? In Australia and to the best of my knowledge, in the USA, >>>> there isn't any legislation that has similar penalties for business >>>> name/company registrations. Aside from the incorrect supply of >>>> information pertaining to the registration. >>>> >>>> So why would it be good thinking to only target the online domain >>>> name registrations. >>>> >>>> Darryl (Dassa) Lynch. >>>> >>>> |> -----Original Message----- >>>> |> From: Dassa [mailto:dassa§dhs.org] >>>> |> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:19 PM >>>> |> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >>>> |> Subject: [DNS] Is this the type of thing we want? >>>> |> >>>> |> >>>> |> I sincerely hope we don't get such legislation here. Even >>>> |> the incorrect >>>> |> whois data would need to be looked at carefully so that those who >>>> are |> trying to protect their privacy aren't affected. >>>> |> >>>> |> Dassa. >>>> |> >>>> |> >From another mailing list: >>>> |> >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29041-2002May3.html >>>> Porn site owners who use domain names likely to entice children >>>> could be fined and imprisoned under legislation introduced in the >>>> U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday. >>>> >>>> The "Truth in Domain Names Act," would make it a crime to use a >>>> misleading Web site name to trick minors into visiting pornographic >>>> Web sites. >>>> >>>> The legislation would outlaw porn sites with seemingly benign names, >>>> such as www.teens.com, www.cheerleaders.com, and www.whitehouse.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28812-2002May3.html >>>> "Internet users who knowingly submit incorrect contact information >>>> when registering Web addresses could face up to five years in jail >>>> under legislation introduced in the House of Representatives this >>>> week." >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - >>>> --- >>>> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => >>>> http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ >>>> Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of >>>> the >>>> >>>> author, further information at the above URL. 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