I think you will find the proposal to start domain name licences when a
transfer takes place has been brought about by one of the major players...so
is this what we call competition!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael-Pappas" <auda&#167;michael-pappas.com>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: [DNS] Transfer of Registrar of Record


>
> > I am well aware of the intent of the authors of this document but I
> > will suggest that this is actually going too far and is bordering on
> > the anti-competitive.
> >
> > It appears that some of the less ethical operators are being dealt with
> > through due process and there will be a binding code of conduct in
> > place.
> > This to me is overkill that actually harms the end user rather than
> > protecting
> > them.
>
> Totally agree.. Once the registry starts and competition is able to begin
> only domain name holders who are in the 2 month renewal period will be
able
> to transfer with out effectivly losing the licence that they have paid for
> and they are intitled to.
>
> This will cause the current registrars, melb it, connect, etc etc to
> affectivly hold records and keep the market share, not really opening up
> the market at all.
>
> Also giving them time to be able to develop pricing policy that will
> effictivly see all registrants stay.. why change when it's eaiser and just
> as cheap not to... ???? If you have a domain name, it's registered,
> delegated and working the renewal price is the final factor... extra work
> just to renew will not help competition or the registrants to see a better
> DNS..
>
> Just my 2c
>
> Michael-Pappas.
>
>
> >
> > rgds
> > jon
> >
> >>-- Original Message --
> >>Reply-To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >>From: "Mark Hughes" <effectivebusiness&#167;pplications.com.au>
> >>To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> >>Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 00:08:21 +1000
> >>Subject: RE: [DNS] Transfer of Registrar of Record
> >>
> >>
> >>> And why should I lose the time on a licence that I've already
> >>> paid for just because I wish to switch providers?
> >>
> >>
> >>It isn't exactly spelled out in the draft Transfer document, but my
> >>guess is
> >>that the intention of making any transfer of Registrar of Record a part
> > of
> >>a
> >>full renewal of the domain name is to try and deal with what I referred
> > to
> >>in my email as "Deceptive Practices" - i.e.
> >>attempts to "churn" unsuspecting domain name holders from one Registrar
> > /
> >>Reseller to another.
> >>
> >>Which, of course, has been the single hottest topic on this listserver
> > over
> >>the last few months.
> >>
> >>Tying a transfer of Registrar of Record to a full renewal I think is
> >>intended to sort of force the domain name licensee to think a bit
> >>harder about what they're doing, and hopefully therefore not fall prey
> >>to being unknowingly churned between Registrars.
> >>
> >>
> >>Regards, Mark
> >>
> >>Mark Hughes
> >>Effective Business Applications Pty Ltd
> >>effectivebusiness&#167;pplications.com.au
> >>www.pplications.com.au
> >>+61 4 1374 3959
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Jon Lawrence [mailto:jon&#167;jonlawrence.com]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 23:26
> >>> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >>> Subject: RE: [DNS] Transfer of Registrar of Record
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree.  And why should I lose the time on a licence that I've
> >>> already paid for just because I wish to switch providers?
> >>>
> >>> Seems like a good deal for the registry though...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >-- Original Message --
> >>> >Reply-To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >>> >From: "Mark Hughes" <effectivebusiness&#167;pplications.com.au>
> >>> >To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> >>> >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:06:59 +1000
> >>> >Subject: RE: [DNS] Transfer of Registrar of Record
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Well, I said in my last email on this subject that I'd
> >>> >
> >>> >> try and get my thoughts /
> >>> >> comments sorted out better and in more detail
> >>> >
> >>> >Finding time to read all the necessary documents and think them thru
> > is
> >>> >always a problem, but here's some further thoughts on the Transfer
> >>> >of Registrar or Record issue.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >The draft document at
> >>> http://www.auda.org.au/docs/auda-transfers-draft.pdf
> >>> >has as Section 3.2 b):
> >>> >
> >>> >"the registrant must renew their domain name licence when the
> >>> >transfer
> >>> takes
> >>> >place (i.e.. the registrant receives a new 2 year domain name
> >>> licence from
> >>> >the
> >>> >gaining registrar)."
> >>> >
> >>> >The effect of this clause is critical - the process for changing
> >>> 'Registrar
> >>> >of Record' actually becomes a just a version of "Renewal of Domain
> >>> >Name", with the proviso that domain name renewals can be done at any
> >>> >time,
> > but
> >>> >they're always for two years.  In effect, we end up with 3 versions
> > of
> >>> a
> >>> >similar procedure:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >1)  Application for a new domain name
> >>> >2)  Renewal of an existing domain name
> >>> >3)  Renewal of an domain name, with a change of Registrar of Record
> >>> >
> >>> >And one procedure document should be able to cover them all.
> >>> >Treating
> >>> them
> >>> >as slightly different versions of the same process means that
> >>> things which
> >>> >are common to all three only have to be stated once, and the end
> >>> >result should be simpler and much more consistent than treating them
> >>> >as
> >>> different
> >>> >processes.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >The process is always going to be a tradeoff between:
> >>> >
> >>> >* efficiency - resulting in low costs to Registrars & Resellers and
> >>> >therefore to Registrants, in a competitive environment
> >>> >* effectiveness - resulting in a desirable outcome with regard to
> >>> >policy issues
> >>> >
> >>> >There are specific policy issues which may affect one or more of the
> >>> >versions of the application / renewal processes, and they appear
> >>> to include
> >>> >(in no particular order):
> >>> >
> >>> >* Authentication
> >>> >* Bad Faith Registrations
> >>> >* Deceptive Practices
> >>> >* Validity Checking
> >>> >
> >>> >and there may be others I haven't thought of.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Looking at those policy issues in more detail:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >* Authentication - i.e. Authenticating the entity submitting a
> >>> >request Authentication needs to be done at any time subsequent to a
> >>> >new domain
> >>> name
> >>> >application where a change is made to the domain name details, to
> >>> >the contact details for the domain name, or to a domain name
> >>> >delegation.
> >
> >>It
> >>> >doesn't really apply to new domain name applications as the
> >>> entity applying
> >>> >automatically becomes the authorised holder of the domain.
> >>> >
> >>> >* Bad Faith Registrations - i.e. discouraging them
> >>> >Discouraging bad faith registrations should be done as part of the
> >>> >domain name application.  It doesn't need to be done at domain name
> >>> >renewal
> > time
> >>> >-
> >>> >its difficult to see how any mechanism to deal with bad faith
> >>> registrations
> >>> >can be effectively linked to the domain name renewal process.
> >>> >
> >>> >* Deceptive Practices - i.e. discouraging deceptive practices by
> >>> >entities other than Registrants (i.e. Registrars / Resellers /
> >>> >Others)
> >>> >The objective is to stop deceptive practices by entities on
> >>> >Registrants designed to make the Registrant either pay more money
> >>> >than necessary
> > or
> >>> >change Registrar / Reseller without their knowledge.  This applies
> >>> >for Renewals with change of Registrar of Record.
> >>> >
> >>> >* Validity Checking
> >>> >For domain name applications, the eligibility of the applying
> >>> >entity,
> >>and
> >>> >the name they're applying for, need to be checked.  Following
> >>> the existing
> >>> >principle of grandfathering, validity checking is not necessary at
> >>> >time
> >>> of
> >>> >renewal.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >In Summary:
> >>> >
> >>> >                      New         |         | Renewal with
> >>> >                      Application | Renewal | Change of Registrar
> >>> >                      ------------|---------|--------------------
> >>> >Authentication           No       |   Yes   |   Yes
> >>> >Bad Faith Registrations  Yes      |   No    |   No
> >>> >Deceptive Practices      No       |    ?    |   Yes
> >>> >Validity checking        Yes      |   No    |   No
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Having identified the policy objectives, it should be possible to
> >>> >create one
> >>> >clear procedure document to address the three versions of the
> >>> >process:
> >>> >
> >>> >1. New Application
> >>> >2. Renewal
> >>> >3. Renewal with Change of Registrar
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >We'd then end up with a "Domain Name Application and Renewal
> >>> >Procedure" document, and won't need a separate one for Change of
> >>> >Registrar
> >>> of Record.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Regards, Mark
> >>> >
> >>> >Mark Hughes
> >>> >Effective Business Applications Pty Ltd
> >>> >effectivebusiness&#167;pplications.com.au
> >>> >www.pplications.com.au
> >>> >+61 4 1374 3959
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
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