We'll I think that it's up to the resellers / soon to be registrars to;

 Provide all relevalent and permient information foremost to their own
existing clients. Word of mouth is the best tool for this. The more that
are aware of current practices and that can tell friends and family the
better.

 In marketing provide the same information, making sure that it's not
deceiving and only relavelant information is conveyed. (thus stick to the
ICoP)

Then it's up to the goverment and industry regulators to;

See funds diverted out into ads (paper, tv, etc etc. As in with water usage
[which most countries in the world do and see major benefits in], power De
regulation, drowsy divers die  and many many more) ) to educate and inform.
It's a very good way of changing the public view, and is used across all
forms of public education.

Keep infomative and upto date info on the webiste used to convey all of
this.

Michael.

> Notice I don't use my real name? Cause it sux - no-one ever pronounces
> it right :-)
>
> Anyway - I'm interested to know what your ideas or proposed solutions
> are on education - and what the target audience of any education
> campaign would be ... everyone, or just existing registrants?
>
> - SnooP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael-Pappas <auda&#167;michael-pappas.com>
> To: auda.org.au <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
>
>
>> Ginger,
>>
>> Don't know about putting them in orbit though.. They would find a way
>> to bomb us all from greater heights...
>>
>> Education, consistency and policy that can be enforced... let's work
> toward
>> that.
>>
>> Michael.
>>
>> P.S. Just a little note to all.. Options are my own, thus the use of
>> my
> own
>> email address.
>>
>> Also Ginger, I really don't like Mickey, mick, mike or any other
>> variation...... Michael or Pappas is fine.. I know you like you
>> nickname but I prefer my name, I'm very proud.... Thanks.
>>
>>
>> > Hey Mikey,
>> >
>> > I completely agree with what you're saying here :
>> >
>> >> Competition between resellers is what we are looking at.
>> >
>> > Yes, .. I personnaly think that any reseller abusing policies and
>> > using their Registrar and the tools that are provider by that
>> > registrar for evil use should have their ass put into orbit around
>> > mars..
>> >
>> >>The policy pannel is dealing with registrar competition. When the
>> >>time
>> > comes we will all be able to read and comment on what they produce.
>> >
>> > YES
>> >
>> >>In the current situation resellers of Melb IT are Slamming customers
>> >>with renewal notices that trick registrant into paying for a service
>> >>that they do not need. THE SCAM. Not Melb IT them selves.
>> >
>> > This is why maybe Melbourne IT should attach a rocket to their back
>> > and send them on the other side of the solar system for abusing the
>> > system..
>> >
>> >>If a reseller fails to renew the domain name for their clients then
>> >>the domain name goes back to Melb IT and they contact the custmore.
>> >>This happens 28 days before expire.
>> >
>> > I think that is fair indeed , it doesn't really compare with the "
>> > YOUR DOMAIN NAME WILL BE DELETED " ING stuff ...
>> >
>> >>And I definattly do not think that deceptive practices make it a
>> >>fair playing field. If you have dealt with me or Click'nGo! at all
>> >>you would know different. Not really sure how you got that
>> >>conclusion.
>> >
>> > I think we all know who's doing what and abusing and how mate,
>> > Click'n'Go of course is probably different since people never
>> > complained about it here as opposed to the other scammers, otherwise
>> > you would have heard the Ginger Skeleter coming when night falls to
>> > terrorize you :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Ginger
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda&#167;michael-pappas.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:10 PM
>> > To: auda.org.au
>> > Subject: RE: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
>> > REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes we are talking about the scammers. And to me Melb IT is
>> > definattly not one of them.
>> >
>> > I think that we are confusing a few things here...
>> >
>> > - Competition between resellers is what we are looking at.
>> >
>> > - The policy pannel is dealing with registrar competition. When the
>> > time
>> > comes we will all be able to read and comment on what they produce.
>> >
>> > - In the current situation resellers of Melb IT are Slamming
>> > customers with renewal notices that trick registrant into paying for
>> > a service that they do not need. THE SCAM. Not Melb IT them selves.
>> >
>> > - If a reseller fails to renew the domain name for their clients
>> > then the
>> > domain name goes back to Melb IT and they contact the custmore. This
>> > happens 28 days before expire.
>> >
>> > - What would the registrar who is facilitating the competition at
>> > the present situation flaunt the use of this information.. It's just
>> > not happening.
>> >
>> > - And I definattly do not think that deceptive practices make it a
>> > fair playing field. If you have dealt with me or Click'nGo! at all
>> > you would know different. Not really sure how you got that
>> > conclusion.
>> >
>> > Michael-Pappas.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Pappas,
>> >>
>> >> We are talking scammers, not competition...competition happens on
>> >> equal terms based on real strategy, you know with people that have
>> >> enough brains to find new original ideas to attract customers ...
>> >> of course maybe you think that deceiving people is good fair
>> >> strategy that enables everybody to compete on a fair ground ...do
>> >> you ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ginger
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda&#167;michael-pappas.com]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:46 AM
>> >> To: auda.org.au
>> >> Subject: Re: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL NOTICE
>> >> REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Until such time as there are competing regirtrars Melb IT is the
>> >> sole registrar... why would they need the Key? We are talking
>> >> reseller competition for now.
>> >>
>> >> Michael-Pappas
>> >>
>> >>> Michael wrote
>> >>>
>> >>> If you are receiving notice from your original reseller or Melb IT
>> >>> directly you would not have to provide the key as the domain name
>> >>> is already with them.
>> >>>
>> >>> MelbIT should be required to be provided with the registry key
>> >>> from the registrant (I thought that issue had been delt with) the
>> >>> same as with any other  transfer. What gives them an exemption we
>> >>> are talking competition here...
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Michael-Pappas" <auda&#167;michael-pappas.com>
>> >>> To: "auda.org.au " <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:13 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [DNS] INTERNET NAME GROUP - UNSOLICITED RENEWAL
>> >>> NOTICE REQUESTS REGISTR Y KEY
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> > Is this correct?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes and no. In order to renew a domain name Melb IT have made
>> >>>> provisions for transfer of .com.au domain names between
>> >>>> accredited resellers. So say you originally registered your
>> >>>> domain name through one reseller and found another in the two
>> >>>> year period and wanted to change. Then you would required to
>> >>>> provide that new reseller the registry key to move the domain
>> >>>> name to their management within the Melb IT system and flag that
>> >>>> domain name to their management.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Do I need to supply my registry key to affect renewal
>> >>>> > of my domain name?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you are receiving notice from your original reseller or Melb
>> >>>> IT
>> >>> directly
>> >>>> you would not have to provide the key as the domain name is
>> >>>> already with them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > I have not had any previous dealings with Internet
>> >>>> > Name Group. I am a sole proprietor so it is impossible that any
>> >>>> > member of my staff could have requested a renewal from Internet
>> >>>> > Name Group as I do not have any staff. This seems like business
>> >>>> > solicitation in it's purest form.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not really sure what you are saying.. Do you or don't you have
>> >>>> staff? If you do it's more than possible.. if you don't then
>> >>>> highly unlikely as you would know if you provided the Reg Key to
>> >>>> them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > At uni we are taught that IS professionals should not misuse
>> >>>> > the skills they have learnt for underhandedly obtaining
>> >>>> > information, and that people's privacy should be respected. An
>> >>>> > example was made of companies that send renewal notices for
>> >>>> > domain names that look like invoices,but I didn't realise that
>> >>>> > one of the companies involved was (or claims to be) an
>> >>>> > Accredited .com.au Registrar.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Unfortunately what people are taught does not mean that they do
>> >>>> it. Porovisionaly accredited registrars a the moment does not
>> >>>> really mean that much... it the reseller that follow the  Interim
>> >>>> code of practice.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  http://www.auda.org.au/docs/Interim_COP.pdf
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I do remember that there is a list on the www.auda.org.au site
>> >>>> but for the life of me I can't find it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Are there current stats on how many consumers are affected by
>> >>>> > this practice? Where did this company get my details from? Are
>> >>>> > they really an accredited registrar? Why would an accredited
>> >>>> > registrar send me a deceptive unsolicited renewal advice?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I really doubt it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best Regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Michael-Pappas.
>> >>>> www.clickngo.com.au
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > All comments appreciated.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Kind Regards,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Max Sylvester
>> >>>> > (University Student and part time IT support)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
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