Rod, Turn your friggin read receipts off, they are bloody annoying. Dave Hooper. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Keys [mailto:rod§ddns.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 12:20 PM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > dead and buried 2 years ago...move on.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ginger Fish" <ginger-fish§scifi-art.com> > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:11 PM > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > oh my god.call the poliiiiice!! > > > > Rod, unlike you ( see below ) i am not trying to deceive > anybody .. > > > > > > DOMAIN NAME AUTHORITY OF AUSTRALIA (DNA) Business > Manager - Rod Keys > > -A PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED .AU > REGISTRAR ??? > > HISTORY: > > "Scam claim over com.au reselling. > > > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-200 > 0Oct23.html > > > > "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia > (www.dna.asn.au) has been > > writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the > renewal date, > > offering to renew their names." > > > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business > Manager - Rod Keys > > "Domain name resellers blockade rival company" > > > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000 > Oct17.html > > > > > > > > > > Ginger FISH > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rod Keys [mailto:rod§ddns.com.au] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:13 AM > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > Chris, > > Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com > ...nsi.com ..whois... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo§auda.org.au> > > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, > rant and not > > > actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond > only to matters > > > relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide > comments and other > > > detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and > shroud what might > > > otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol. > > > > > > You seem to think that contributing to this list gives > you some right to > > > be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It > does not. It is a > > > discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list > and on occasions > > > such as this responds. We listen and take note of what > is said. But this > > > list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you want to be > > > effective you would be better served by getting > involved instead of > > > carping from the side lines. This of course would > involve you ditching > > > the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and > > > rationality. It would also involve you understanding > the processes. > > > > > > You clearly have no understanding of the process and > do not appear to > > > have read any of the documents. Are you for example > aware of the > > > restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their > resellers) in auDA's > > > Registrar Agreement? > > > > > > You certainly do not appear to have attended the > Registrar Agreement > > > public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of > Practice were > > > originally discussed. You also do not appear to have > attended the > > > initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had > you would understand > > > that the Code of Practice committee is not auDA's > committee but yours > > > (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it. > > > > > > I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for > nominations (and as a > > > courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This > call for nominations > > > was at the request of the industry. At the initial > meeting, they asked > > > us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that > those that were there > > > will happily confirm this. The number of the committee > and its processes > > > were also set by them and not by us. It is, you see, > an industry > > > committee attempting to draft what will be an industry > Code of Practice. > > > > > > Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they > may be) bothered > > > to nominate for the Code of Practice committee > notwithstanding your > > > supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid > severely damages your > > > credibility on this issue. > > > > > > The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow > your insults to the > > > DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your > money where your > > > mouth is and actually get involved in the process. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chris Disspain > > > CEO - auDA > > > ceo§auda.org.au > > > www.auda.org.au > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54 > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note > that not all the > > > names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of > four mentioned are on > > > the > > > code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might > wish to read your own > > > website? > > > > > > You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?" > The scammers? > > > And > > > that's your excuse for not running an effective > administration ? > > > > > > Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule > those who care enough > > > to > > > bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you > worked in the > > > industry > > > alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a > few papers here and > > > there you might take it all a little more seriously, > take the time to > > > look > > > into issues, and perhaps make your administration > stand for something. > > > > > > You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it > was thrown in your > > > face > > > and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu > Chris? We are busy > > > people, we don't have all the time in the world, but > we will persist, > > > and in > > > many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We > give a damn about > > > all > > > the little people out there who have been lead to > believe that this code > > > of > > > conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect > change. How can it > > > possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on > the committee and > > > the > > > auDA Director perceives that as being totally > acceptable because they > > > were > > > the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a > cop-out. That is > > > totally > > > unacceptable. > > > > > > Ginger > > > ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au] > > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > > 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee. > > > 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should > not be and FAR MORE > > > IMPORTANTLY > > > 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone > else who simply > > > use this list in the same way that a cat uses a > scratching pole did not > > > even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up > at the initial > > > meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process. > > > > > > Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the > committee comprises the > > > people it comprises is because they nominated and, > they were the ONLY > > > PEOPLE who nominated. > > > > > > BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song > on the list the > > > other day. Another goal I can tick off the list. > > > > > > Chris Disspain > > > CEO - auDA > > > ceo§auda.org.au > > > www.auda.org.au > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21 > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > Dear Bruce, > > > > > > > > > in other words : > > > > > > WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and > DDNS TO BE ON THE > > > VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE > OUT OR AT LEAST MAKE > > > THEM BEHAVE ? > > > > > > Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you > have a logical and > > > reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear > and understand it. > > > Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered > as equals with > > > honest > > > businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt > and rotten at the > > > core > > > that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the > helm ? Give us an > > > explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe > i'm just an idiot > > > that does not read english properly > > > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) > , so PLEASE > > > EXPLAIN.... > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Bruce > > > > > > Ginger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > > Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i > think you missed > > > the > > > second part : > > > > > > auDA is well aware of the business practices of these > companies and yet > > > here > > > THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE > > > > > > > > > NETREGISTRY proved they could not be trusted with the > auNIC database > > > and > > > yet the same company have a representative on the Code > of Conduct > > > Commitee? > > > > > > Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director > of auDA, conflict > > > of > > > interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of > Conduct Commitee ? > > > > > > And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys. > > > > > > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ > > > > > > Rod Keys Discount Domain Names Reseller DISCOUNT > DOMAIN NAMES?? > > > see > > > below > > > Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog ) NetRegistry Registrar > NET > > > REGISTRY? > > > see below > > > Peter Dean Instra Group Registrar YOU'VE > GOT TO BE KIDDING > > > > > > > > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business > Manager - Rod Keys > > > "Scam claim over com.au reselling. > > > > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-200 > 0Oct23.html > > > > > > "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia > (www.dna.asn.au) has > > > been > > > writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of > the renewal date, > > > offering to renew their names." > > > > > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business > Manager - Rod Keys > > > "Domain name resellers blockade rival company" > > > > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000 > Oct17.html > > > > > > > > > INTERNET NAME GROUP - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR > > > > > > Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- > WHAT FOR?????? > > > http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf > > > > > > Internet Name Group scam > > > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html > > > > > > The greed behind gratuitous grace > > > http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html > > > > > > Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life > > > > http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html > > > > > > Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com > > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html > > > > > > "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz. > > > http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm > > > > > > > http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC25 > 6ABF00090DE4! > > > open > > > document > > > > > > > > > > > > Ginger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin§melbourneit.com.au] > > > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ?? > > > > It is unclear when it will be introduced > > > > It is unclear if it will be enforceable > > > > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable, > > > > how and by whom? > > > > > > Actually it is reasonable clear. > > > > > > There is an interim code of conduct that already > exists. In the absence > > > of > > > any changes by the date the new registry (operated by > AusRegistry) goes > > > live, then this will be the code that must be adhered > to by registrars. > > > In > > > the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell > domain name > > > services to > > > adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to > it voluntarily. > > > However there is no enforcement of the code until the > new registrar > > > agreements come into effect. Note most industries > have codes that are > > > purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one > step further to > > > include > > > in registrar licence agreements. > > > > > > There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to > refine the > > > interim > > > code. It is hoped that the next refinement will be > complete by around > > > June > > > 2002. > > > > > > The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to > abide by the code > > > can > > > result in loss of registrar licence. However > ultimately any company can > > > sell domain names without any licence. The licence > purely gives them > > > direct > > > access to communicate with the registry. A comany can > still act on > > > behalf > > > of the registrant and purchase their domain names from > any registrar or > > > reseller. > > > > > > The best method of enforcement is by consumers > themselves choosing to > > > use a > > > reputable provider of their services. That is the > whole point of > > > competition. To do this consumers need to be well > informed. Consumers > > > make > > > their decisions for real estate agents, auto > repairers, car dealers etc > > > based on their knowledge of the industry and > word-of-mouth. In many > > > cases > > > there are independent organisations such as RACV, > CHOICE etc that > > > publish > > > articles that compare the products and services of > different providers. > > > The > > > fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is > administered by the > > > ACCC. > > > > > > I encourage all members of the industry to continue to > educate and keep > > > informed their customers. If auDA needs to > continually be involved in > > > enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names > services for us > > > all > > > (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a > per domain name > > > fee), > > > and potentially result in the Government taking over > control of the > > > function. > > > > > > SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective. It > is not the solution > > > to > > > all problems, but an important step forward. 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