Domain Name: INTERNETNAMESREGISTRAR.COM Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE Whois Server: whois.melbourneit.com Referral URL: http://www.melbourneit.com Name Server: NS5.SSLACCESS.COM Name Server: NS6.SSLACCESS.COM Updated Date: 16-mar-2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael-Pappas" <auda§michael-pappas.com> To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct > Unbelievable, not only is this information outside the requirements for > owning a gTLD (or looks as if it is), you don't even know where the domain > name was registered. > > > Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois... > > The Displaying domain information was provided by MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A > INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE. > > Bruce may be your compliance officer could look at this, I know that with > OpenSRS domain names if the domain name information is not able to be > verified with authorised docunemtation the domain name gets revoked. > > Ginger if you are constantly going to flaunt your own deceptions to this > list then as Chris says you should not continue to post or be part of this > development that we are trying very hard to take seriously. > > Michael Pappas. > > > Chris, > > Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo§auda.org.au> > > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > >> Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, rant and not > >> actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond only to matters > >> relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide comments and > >> other detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and shroud what > >> might otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol. > >> > >> You seem to think that contributing to this list gives you some right > >> to be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It does not. It > >> is a discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list and on > >> occasions such as this responds. We listen and take note of what is > >> said. But this list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you > >> want to be > >> effective you would be better served by getting involved instead of > >> carping from the side lines. This of course would involve you ditching > >> the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and > >> rationality. It would also involve you understanding the processes. > >> > >> You clearly have no understanding of the process and do not appear to > >> have read any of the documents. Are you for example aware of the > >> restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their resellers) in > >> auDA's Registrar Agreement? > >> > >> You certainly do not appear to have attended the Registrar Agreement > >> public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of Practice were > >> originally discussed. You also do not appear to have attended the > >> initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had you would > >> understand that the Code of Practice committee is not auDA's > >> committee but yours (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it. > >> > >> I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for nominations (and as a > >> courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This call for > >> nominations was at the request of the industry. At the initial > >> meeting, they asked us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that > >> those that were there will happily confirm this. The number of the > >> committee and its processes were also set by them and not by us. It > >> is, you see, an industry committee attempting to draft what will be an > >> industry Code of Practice. > >> > >> Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they may be) > >> bothered to nominate for the Code of Practice committee > >> notwithstanding your supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid > >> severely damages your credibility on this issue. > >> > >> The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow your insults to > >> the DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your money where > >> your mouth is and actually get involved in the process. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Chris Disspain > >> CEO - auDA > >> ceo§auda.org.au > >> www.auda.org.au > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54 > >> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > >> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > >> > >> Chris, > >> > >> Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all > >> the names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned > >> are on the > >> code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your > >> own website? > >> > >> You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?" The scammers? > >> And > >> that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ? > >> > >> Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care > >> enough to > >> bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the > >> industry > >> alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here > >> and there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time > >> to look > >> into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something. > >> > >> You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in > >> your face > >> and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are > >> busy people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will > >> persist, and in > >> many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn > >> about all > >> the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this > >> code of > >> conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change. How can it > >> possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee > >> and the > >> auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they > >> were > >> the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is > >> totally > >> unacceptable. > >> > >> Ginger > >> ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au] > >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM > >> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > >> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > >> > >> > >> 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee. > >> 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR > >> MORE IMPORTANTLY > >> 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply > >> use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did > >> not even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the > >> initial meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process. > >> > >> Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises > >> the people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the > >> ONLY PEOPLE who nominated. > >> > >> BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the > >> other day. Another goal I can tick off the list. > >> > >> Chris Disspain > >> CEO - auDA > >> ceo§auda.org.au > >> www.auda.org.au > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21 > >> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > >> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > >> > >> Dear Bruce, > >> > >> > >> in other words : > >> > >> WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON > >> THE VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT > >> LEAST MAKE THEM BEHAVE ? > >> > >> Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical > >> and reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and > >> understand it. Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as > >> equals with honest > >> businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at > >> the core > >> that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us > >> an explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an > >> idiot that does not read english properly > >> http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE > >> EXPLAIN.... > >> > >> > >> Best Regards, Bruce > >> > >> Ginger > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM > >> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > >> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > >> > >> > >> Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed > >> the > >> second part : > >> > >> auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and > >> yet here > >> THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE > >> > >> > >> NETREGISTRY proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database > >> and > >> yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct > >> Commitee? > >> > >> Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA, > >> conflict of > >> interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ? > >> > >> And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys. > >> > >> http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ > >> > >> Rod Keys Discount Domain Names Reseller DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES?? > >> see > >> below > >> Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog ) NetRegistry Registrar NET > >> REGISTRY? > >> see below > >> Peter Dean Instra Group Registrar YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING > >> > >> > >> "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys > >> "Scam claim over com.au reselling. > >> http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html > >> > >> "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has > >> been > >> writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date, > >> offering to renew their names." > >> > >> "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys > >> "Domain name resellers blockade rival company" > >> http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html > >> > >> > >> INTERNET NAME GROUP - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR > >> > >> Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR?????? > >> http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf > >> > >> Internet Name Group scam > >> http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html > >> > >> The greed behind gratuitous grace > >> http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html > >> > >> Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life > >> http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html > >> > >> Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com > >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html > >> > >> "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz. > >> http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm > >> > >> http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4! > >> open > >> document > >> > >> > >> > >> Ginger > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin§melbourneit.com.au] > >> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM > >> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > >> Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct > >> > >> > >> > > >> > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ?? > >> > It is unclear when it will be introduced > >> > It is unclear if it will be enforceable > >> > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable, > >> > how and by whom? > >> > >> Actually it is reasonable clear. > >> > >> There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the > >> absence of > >> any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry) > >> goes live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by > >> registrars. In > >> the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name > >> services to > >> adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily. > >> However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar > >> agreements come into effect. Note most industries have codes that are > >> purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to > >> include > >> in registrar licence agreements. > >> > >> There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the > >> interim > >> code. It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around > >> June > >> 2002. > >> > >> The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code > >> can > >> result in loss of registrar licence. However ultimately any company > >> can sell domain names without any licence. The licence purely gives > >> them direct > >> access to communicate with the registry. A comany can still act on > >> behalf > >> of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar > >> or reseller. > >> > >> The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to > >> use a > >> reputable provider of their services. That is the whole point of > >> competition. To do this consumers need to be well informed. > >> Consumers make > >> their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers > >> etc based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth. In > >> many cases > >> there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that > >> publish > >> articles that compare the products and services of different > >> providers. The > >> fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the > >> ACCC. > >> > >> I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and > >> keep informed their customers. If auDA needs to continually be > >> involved in enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names > >> services for us all > >> (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name > >> fee), > >> and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the > >> function. > >> > >> SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective. It is not the > >> solution to > >> all problems, but an important step forward. It will also help > >> educate new > >> players in the industry on acceptable practices. Ultimately it will > >> be up > >> to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only > >> purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Bruce Tonkin > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> --- > >> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => > >> http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ > >> Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of > >> the author, further information at the above URL. (329 subscribers.) > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> --- > >> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => > >> http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ > >> Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of > >> the author, further information at the above URL. 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