Chris, Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo§auda.org.au> To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, rant and not > actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond only to matters > relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide comments and other > detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and shroud what might > otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol. > > You seem to think that contributing to this list gives you some right to > be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It does not. It is a > discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list and on occasions > such as this responds. We listen and take note of what is said. But this > list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you want to be > effective you would be better served by getting involved instead of > carping from the side lines. This of course would involve you ditching > the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and > rationality. It would also involve you understanding the processes. > > You clearly have no understanding of the process and do not appear to > have read any of the documents. Are you for example aware of the > restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their resellers) in auDA's > Registrar Agreement? > > You certainly do not appear to have attended the Registrar Agreement > public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of Practice were > originally discussed. You also do not appear to have attended the > initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had you would understand > that the Code of Practice committee is not auDA's committee but yours > (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it. > > I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for nominations (and as a > courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This call for nominations > was at the request of the industry. At the initial meeting, they asked > us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that those that were there > will happily confirm this. The number of the committee and its processes > were also set by them and not by us. It is, you see, an industry > committee attempting to draft what will be an industry Code of Practice. > > Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they may be) bothered > to nominate for the Code of Practice committee notwithstanding your > supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid severely damages your > credibility on this issue. > > The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow your insults to the > DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your money where your > mouth is and actually get involved in the process. > > Regards, > > Chris Disspain > CEO - auDA > ceo§auda.org.au > www.auda.org.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54 > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > Chris, > > Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all the > names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned are on > the > code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your own > website? > > You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?" The scammers? > And > that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ? > > Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care enough > to > bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the > industry > alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here and > there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time to > look > into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something. > > You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in your > face > and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are busy > people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will persist, > and in > many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn about > all > the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this code > of > conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change. How can it > possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee and > the > auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they > were > the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is > totally > unacceptable. > > Ginger > ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au] > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee. > 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR MORE > IMPORTANTLY > 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply > use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did not > even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the initial > meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process. > > Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises the > people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the ONLY > PEOPLE who nominated. > > BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the > other day. Another goal I can tick off the list. > > Chris Disspain > CEO - auDA > ceo§auda.org.au > www.auda.org.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21 > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > Dear Bruce, > > > in other words : > > WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON THE > VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT LEAST MAKE > THEM BEHAVE ? > > Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical and > reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and understand it. > Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as equals with > honest > businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at the > core > that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us an > explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an idiot > that does not read english properly > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE > EXPLAIN.... > > > Best Regards, Bruce > > Ginger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed > the > second part : > > auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and yet > here > THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE > > > NETREGISTRY proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database > and > yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct > Commitee? > > Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA, conflict > of > interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ? > > And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys. > > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ > > Rod Keys Discount Domain Names Reseller DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES?? > see > below > Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog ) NetRegistry Registrar NET > REGISTRY? > see below > Peter Dean Instra Group Registrar YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING > > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys > "Scam claim over com.au reselling. > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html > > "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has > been > writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date, > offering to renew their names." > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys > "Domain name resellers blockade rival company" > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html > > > INTERNET NAME GROUP - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR > > Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR?????? > http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf > > Internet Name Group scam > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html > > The greed behind gratuitous grace > http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html > > Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life > http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html > > Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html > > "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz. > http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm > > http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4! > open > document > > > > Ginger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin§melbourneit.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ?? > > It is unclear when it will be introduced > > It is unclear if it will be enforceable > > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable, > > how and by whom? > > Actually it is reasonable clear. > > There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the absence > of > any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry) goes > live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by registrars. > In > the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name > services to > adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily. > However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar > agreements come into effect. Note most industries have codes that are > purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to > include > in registrar licence agreements. > > There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the > interim > code. It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around > June > 2002. > > The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code > can > result in loss of registrar licence. However ultimately any company can > sell domain names without any licence. The licence purely gives them > direct > access to communicate with the registry. A comany can still act on > behalf > of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar or > reseller. > > The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to > use a > reputable provider of their services. That is the whole point of > competition. To do this consumers need to be well informed. Consumers > make > their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers etc > based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth. In many > cases > there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that > publish > articles that compare the products and services of different providers. > The > fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the > ACCC. > > I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and keep > informed their customers. If auDA needs to continually be involved in > enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names services for us > all > (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name > fee), > and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the > function. > > SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective. It is not the solution > to > all problems, but an important step forward. It will also help educate > new > players in the industry on acceptable practices. Ultimately it will be > up > to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only > purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code. > > Regards, > Bruce Tonkin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ > Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the > author, further information at the above URL. 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