>I have never seen ING advertise in a magazine, newpaper, sponsorship or
anything like
>that. They send direct marketing to existing .com.au customers. There's
only
>one please where this kind of information is held.

Why bother, spamming is free mate !!
They just play on people's ignorance..easy, and they call that "being
smarter than others"..

>Can we as a group complain to ICANN that auDA is not carrying out their
>responsibilities??

Not that auDA is not carrying out their responsablilties, it is out of their
responsabilities, that's what you have to understand, and this is why ING
are still there mate, auDA can't do anything about it,only a registrar could
cancel their contract and kick them out... ( Registrar = Melbourne IT) i
believe they would have gotten rid of them long ago if they could. And
Melbourne IT is going to do....nothing...why ? because they make money with
INGee...

But don't worry, there is hope...maybe ( I am fishing ) :)

We'll see when they "become" a registrar, they will have to agree to lots of
conditions and stuff and won't legally be able to do what they do... but
again they're a bunch of lawyers so they'll find a way around it...

...and all this as the rest of the world continues to laugh at the way the
.au administration is done.


Ginger "Spock" Fish
infinite diversity in infinite combinations





-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Burke [mailto:nigel§avs.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:49 AM
To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
Subject: Re: [DNS] moderator


WTF is ING still doing in Australia. ?!?!?!

I look up to the administrators of New Zealand for kicking ING out of the
country - something Australia should have done months ago.

NZ had the sense about them to get rid of a company who sends junk mail to
other people's customers. Why can't Australia do that? Is ING doing the
right thing for contacting OUR customers with these THREATENING renewal
letters?? I don't think so!

Why can't auDA BAN this practice? Does auDA have an interest in ING and
other such companies.

It's not just old domains that are being contacted. I have registered
.com.au domains to only receive their deceitful notices about their
'Australian Business Directory'. How do they get this information?

auDA - What is being done about ING's business practices??? I have never
seen ING advertise in a magazine, newpaper, sponsorship or anything like
that. They send direct marketing to existing .com.au customers. There's only
one please where this kind of information is held.

Can we as a group complain to ICANN that auDA is not carrying out their
responsibilities??

Regards,
Nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ginger Fish" <ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [DNS] moderator


> Yeah that's good, or you could also script a thingy that would directly
> prevent your clients from receiving anything from ING.
>
> Ginger Script
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Sanders [mailto:auda-337&#167;ccp.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:18 PM
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] moderator
>
>
> Hello all, time to stop lurking and put in a few comments in here.
>
> If I can borrow a link from Joshua
> http://www.whatsinaname.com.au/renewals/wING01a.jpg then ING at $220 for
> two years overcharge by approximately $80 on the RETAIL cost (the
wholesale
> cost being somewhat lower) of performing a DNS renewal. Not the hardest
> task in the world, in fact I scripted the task into a single click on a
web
> page.
>
> Sasha, are you telling me the service you provide in renewing domains is
> worth $80 more than what the customer could do themselves by going direct
> to Melbourne IT ?
>
> At my previous position I became heartily sick of dealing with renewal
> notices from ING and my solution at the time was to perform an overhaul of
> our DNS renewal system (scripts+database+php) to enable us to contact our
> customers ahead of ING. Often this entailed contacting them 4-6 months in
> advance of the renewal date on their domain.
>
> As I doubt ING are going stop their unethical business practices anytime
> soon I would suggest people do something similar, it did stop almost all
of
> the renewal problems we had at the time with ING.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lee Sanders
> Network Engineer
>
>
> At 07:35 PM 4/03/2002 +1100, you wrote:
> >hey sally
> >
> >can you please tell the list what price do you charge for a domain name
> >registration??
> >
> >it's not a very intelligent comment to make, that we should inform the
> >registrant in regards to competition
> >
> >example
> >  'ING are not your current registrar'
> >'ING are offering a competing service to <xxx>, your current registrar'
> >'you can renew your domain with either of ING or <xxx> equally well'
> >etc
> >
> >our job at ING is to look after consumers that obviously have been
> neglected
> >
> >we charge what may be perceived a premium for our service
> >
> >some people choose to buy a BMW and others may go with Hyundai
> >
> >both get you from A to B in the same amount of time
> >
> >"BMW a sheer driving pleasure"
> >
> >that's not said for nothing
> >
> >Sasha Sudakov
> >
> >Internet Name Group
> >
> >222 St Kilda Road. St.Kilda
> >
> >Melbourne. VIC 3182
> >
> >Tel : +61 3 9525 5285
> >
> >Fax : +61 3 9525 5300
> >
> >Email : sasha&#167;internetnamegroup.com
> >
>
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