It comes down to the punishment of people/companies who abuse the system ???? Okay, let's vote for 3 lashes ( leather suit required for entrance ) and copy 100 times " i will not do it again". How do you think a corrupted system where everyody is sleeping with everybody could improve ? Yeah yeah yeah.... Melbourne IT are powerless auDA are powerless ACCC is powerless Interim Code of Conduct is useless/unenforcable. all this while ING and all the others are laughing their ass off at you guys writing shakespear on a mailing list ... restraint of trade ..... Ginger "Halmet" Fish World Champion of the spoken word -----Original Message----- From: Michael-Pappas [mailto:auda§michael-pappas.com] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:24 PM To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: Re: [DNS] Now I am ANGRY Simply removing data from a search is not going to fix a problem of SLAMMING for domain name. Yes I can see that the data is more available in the current state and more easily culled, but where there's a will there a way. There are many way of obtaining the same information and producing the same letter designed to trick and scare people who simply don't understand the workings of this industry. Many other problems could resolve with removing more of the data fields. In order for registrant to confirm details the whois data is easy, quick and affective, the whois is used. In order for a registrar (which we hope will be soon, at the moment I refer to resellers) to find out details of their own clients that I don't want to see this data changed. Removal of the expiry date is enough.... It comes down to the punishment of people/companies who abuse the system and not hindering the legitimacy of others. An affective and communal development of this must be taken in order for this sector to develop into something we can be proud. My two cents. Michael Pappas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginger Fish" <ginger-fish§scifi-art.com> To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [DNS] Now I am ANGRY > > Mark, Mark, Mark.. > > It's completely laughable that we cannot protect their personal data. > Australian consumers are paying the price by receiving > endless rounds of junk mail relating to renewals. > > It's clear the expertise required to write a little code that would exclude > certian lines of data in the whois info being publically available is well > beyond our scope ( hey i can do it, i am a code master myself ). > > We talk about the importance of doing it. > > We talk about the possibilities of doing it in the "future" > > We "will" perform the task in the future ? > > Maybe ???? > > When we locate a highly skilled professional capable of performing the > task???????? What a joke ( you can still hire me, i am not that expensive > y'know ). > > If Melbourne IT or auDa placed any importance on protecting registrant data, > it would have been protected LONG AGO. > > Tomorrow, domani, demain ? > > Alter the code, protect the data, squash the leak ( won't give names, but i > have high suspicions about 2 guys there ), whatever.. This should > not be a point of discussion. This issue should have been fixed long ago. > > Maybe it's not completely unreasonable to suggest that if Melbourne IT or > auDA are not prepared to spend five minutes to implement a little security > to protect registant data (quite clearly they keep putting everything off > until ..."tomorrow") that the simple fact is... they can't be bothered. > > Talk is cheap and it only takes two seconds. Effecting change -- now the > five minutes that's required to do that clearly isn't available. > > Mark, there is NO downside to effecting the changes but no one will speak up > because they are all too busy banging their heads on the wall reading this > crap. > > Melbourne IT, auDA, if they wanted to protect registrant data they would. > They would have done it months ago, they would do it now, they wouldn't keep > presenting excuses and waiting for "tomorrow" > > > > Ginger Fish > can be serious in a nice suit sometimes > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hughes [mailto:effectivebusiness§pplications.com.au] > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:23 PM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: RE: [DNS] Now I am ANGRY > > > The Registrar's database holds the domain name expiry date. > > The AUNIC database does not hold the expiry date, but does hold the domain > name creation date and the expiry date can be calculated pretty reliably by > adding two year increments to it. > > A relatively effective solution appears to be to change the AUNIC site so > that two of the database fields: > > * the domain name creation date > * the first Organisation-Postal field, which has the street address > > are not visible to manual or automated enquiries. > > Can anyone see a downside to such a change to AUNIC? If so, please speak > up. > > > Note that since a new system will be implemented as part of the introduction > of competition and that includes a new whois database, the changes proposed > above are more relevant to the new system than then old. > > > Regards, Mark > > Mark Hughes > Effective Business Applications Pty Ltd > effectivebusiness§pplications.com.au > www.pplications.com.au > +61 4 1374 3959 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: craig.ng§maddocks.com.au [mailto:craig.ng§maddocks.com.au] > > Sent: Friday, 1 March 2002 12:09 > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au; mehanna§tpg.com.au > > Subject: Re: [DNS] Now I am ANGRY > > > > > > Marco - I know what you mean ... but I don't think AUNIC is the source. I > > have registered business names (but without corresponding domain > > names) and > > have similarly received marketing materials from our friend about their > > services. I believe that the source of information is through a > > simple search > > at the office of fair trading for $13.20. > > > > > > > > Craig Ng > > Partner > > Maddocks > > > > t +613 9288 0523 > > f +613 9288 0666 > > e craig.ng§maddocks.com.au > > > > >>> "mehanna§tpg.com.au" 1/03/02 11:54:33 am >>> > > Dear All, > > > > It is sad and is already happed with a few of My clients, > > The client was decieved in paying $199 because ING > > suggested that unless he renewed the domain it may > > be deleted, removed and registered by somebody else. > > While the above is true, the domain was registered to the client > > by us (the > > hosting provider) and was due for renewal and as such we sent the renewal > > notice > > (price far lower than ING) for renewal at the right time!. > > > > What I am trying to say is that I know how they do this > > and I will even tell you how I found out. > > > > Firstly, I have quietly registered a new business name with > > the Fair Trading. then using my reseller account with MIT > > to register the domain name. > > > > I have not done any kind of marketing for the domain, > > no search engine submissions, zero marketing, I wanted to > > keep quiet about this domain for my future project. > > > > Two month Later I recieve a letter from ING, informing me about the domain > > name , promotions and their pricing. > > > > I know one thing now, the only source they have is the aunic > > registry, as it makes all account details available to the mining party. > > > > the ASIC registry does not provide any contact details, nor does > > the ABR (Australian Business Register). The only way is aunice registry > > details. > > > > To AuDa: Once you have blammed NetRegistry for a security breach of > > the aunic data, But this data has always been available on aunic, and if > > you write a script, you can drill this data for all what it has!. > > > > AuDa, What are going to do about it???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > regards, > > > > Marco Botros > > Operations Manager > > Spirit Servers > > mehanna§spiritservers.com.au http://spiritservers.com.au > > ******************************************************* > > Spirit Servers, "A Solid, Reliable .dotHosting". > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ginger Fish <ginger-fish§scifi-art.com> > > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:20 AM > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Now I am ANGRY > > > > > > Way to go, Ron. > > Can you believe that a few companies out there only live on stealing > > renewals from other companies, and they get some decent business ...of > > course without the leak(s) in the central node of the system, > > that would be > > a bit more difficult , but still .. Of course to mask the main > > activity you > > can always "propose new products" around , a dummy rego site with exotic > > namespaces and other dummy tools that will make you "sound" like a serious > > company that worries a lot about consumes well being ...shit like that ... > > > > Ginger the Avenger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron Stark [mailto:ronstark§businesspark.com.au] Sent: > > Friday, March 01, 2002 10:11 AM > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: [DNS] Now I am ANGRY > > > > > > There's always another one .... > > > > Not 30 minutes ago I received a concerned phone call from one of our > > clients, who had just received an unsolicited renewal notice from > > an outfit > > DDNS (Discount Domain Name Services). The renewal notice cites > > the domain > > expiry date (Where DID they get the info?) in May, and is a clear > > attempt to > > hijack one of our clients. > > > > What REALLY makes me angry is the bold large statement on the > > bottom of the > > renewal notice ... "We support the AUDA resellers (sic) code of conduct". > > > > To Simon Taft, if you're reading this - YOU ARE IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THAT > > CODE OF CONDUCT, even in its current draft form. I doubt that > > you even know > > what it means. > > > > You have no right to abuse or misrepresent auDA or its Code of Conduct in > > this way, and your company's behaviour is totally unacceptable. > > Were there > > penalty provisions in place already, I would activate them against you > > without any compunction or hesitation. > > > > > > Ron Stark > > Business Park Pty Ltd > > mail: ronstark§businesspark.com.au phone: +61 (0)3 9592 6895 > > fax: +61 (0)3 9591 0729 > > mob: +61 (0)41 812 9922 > > CONFIDENTIALITY > > The information contained in this email is intended solely > > for the person to whom it is addressed, > > and is strictly confidential and privileged. > > If you are not the intended recipient or you have received it in error, > > please notify me immediately by reply email > > or on +61 (0)3 9592 6895, > > and delete this message from your system. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------- > > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ Please do not retransmit articles on this > list without permission of the > author, further information at the above URL. 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