You are probably correct... I didn't read the entire document... and
those figures I quoted were the ones I first came across... trust it to
be even more!

The fact you want to get a seat on auDA is excellent (whoever you are)
and are lobbying for these issues.... this is a good thing... and I
think now is the time to start making as much noise in respect to these
issues as possible, using these lists and the media as well as direct
lobbying to current auDA members.

Anyone else here a financial auDA member who is able to nominate/second
others wishing to join the auDA nominations? Speak now, for if
nominations are closing tomorrow, you will have to be fast.

...Skeeve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: majordomo-owner§koala.aussie.net 
> [mailto:majordomo-owner§koala.aussie.net] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:32 PM
> To: aussie-isp§aussie.net; dns§auda.org.au
> Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] A call on auDA
> 
> 
> > 0-15000 domains registered      $1/domain
> > 15,001-50,000 doms rego'd       $0.60/domain
> > and so on.
> > 
> > So... initial costs for say .org.au are $15,000
> > which comes to $1.91 for each domain and will then be (based on now
> > figures) $7,841 per year
> 
> I believe you've got your figures wrong: there is another $11 
> per domain
> fee that you've missed out.  Quoting from private email I sent to auDA
> last week, I said:
> 
> "The annual fees per domain name are in total $12, and the application
> fee is $15000.  There are currently roughly 520 .id.au domain names.
> Let's say that we want to cover our costs only.  Let's assume that we
> can take out an interest-free loan repayable over three years 
> (unlikely,
> but work with me on this!).  Let's assume that the size of the .id.au
> domain space will increase by 20 per year.  Our variable costs are $12
> per year per domain name.  Let's do some maths:
> 
> First year - ($5000 + ($12 * 520)) / 520 = $21.82
> Second year - ($5000 + ($12 * 624)) / 624 = $20.01
> Third year - ($5000 + ($12 * 749)) / 749 = $18.67
> Average - $20.17
> 
> Adding in the administration costs that are mandated by the 
> RFT such as
> insurance and the like, about $25 per annum per .id.au domain 
> name would
> have to be charged.  That may not sound like much but for a non-profit
> domain space which, along with .org.au and .asn.au, has up until now
> been operated for free for the benefit of the non-profit Internet
> community, this is an impost which I know a great many people 
> would like
> to avoid now being imposed."
> 
> Now $25 per year would probably be unobjectionable but the problem is
> that for people who would want to administer such a service on a
> basically voluntary basis they are required to come up with $15000 up
> front.  You will note that this only gives them a four year window to
> recoup the cost.  So I think we need to take some action with a two-
> pronged approach:
> 
> (a) ideally, auDA provide subsidize to allow for non-profit voluntary
>     registries to administer the .asn.au, .org.au and .id.au spaces so
>     that those registrations can continue to be offered for free; or
> 
> (b) alternatively, that greater allowances be made for community-based
>     domain registries so that they are not shut out altogether by the
>     enormity of a $15000 up-front fee.
> 
> There are a couple of things that people are already doing 
> about this. 
> Adrian Chadd is probably going to announce soon (or if he doesn't I
> will) a forum that we have set up to lobby in respect of 
> these issues. 
> There is a Web page and a mailing list so far, but I'll leave it to
> Adrian to announce them (or email me privately).  Second, I have been
> planning for a couple of weeks to nominate for the auDA board 
> to provide
> a voice on these issues, and I have to pull my finger out because
> nominations close tomorrow. :-)
> 
> What I had previously been saying in the nomination statement was, "I
> believe that the Board requires a voice for the retention of 
> free domain
> names for individuals and non-profit organisations in the .id.au,
> .org.au and .asn.au 2LDs. [...snip waffle self-promotion...]  
> I believe
> non-profit groups and individuals are disadvantaged by moves 
> favouring a
> commercial model of domain name management over the voluntary,
> grass-roots participative ethic that has endured to date."  I've toned
> it down since then, to admit that option (b) is a second-preference
> outcome.
> 
> Although I've got feet in both camps (commercial and non-commercial
> Internet users), I think the forces leading the commercialisation of
> domain-name administration underestimate the strength of 
> opinion amongst
> long-time Internet users who do still comprise a significant 
> proportion
> of those administering, managing and providing content for Internet
> services in Australia.  Yes we are (and I am) at fault for not putting
> these views strongly enough or at all during the consultation process,
> but in my view nothing is set in stone and it is not too late to turn
> back the tide.
> 
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