In this case, I would suggest that yes, the auction would eliminate the
first come first served policy, however I believe, and I think most would
agree, that it is the fairest way to implement a changeover from the current
status to the free for all.

Lets face it, we are never going to make everyone happy, but if we want true
reform of the AU namespace, and in particular the removal of the
obstructionist policies that currently exist, there has to be a mechanism
put in place to oversee the change.

This line is one I have held for a good many years, and whilst I was at
Melbourne IT, it was not necessarily the most popular one, however I did,
and still do believe that this is the best and fairest way to deal with a
changeover.

Benefits:
	Provides a change mechanism which is transparent
	Ensures that all previous applicants are notified
	Process is advertised amongst the internet community in general
	Advertised through Govt and newspaper advertising
	Provides a (possibly significant) revenue source for AuDA / charities

Possible negative
	May mean that people who have decided against applying for a particular
name because they can see that it would contravene policy guidelines are not
contacted

The negative here though can be minimised through a strong advertising
campaign.

If managed correctly, I can't see any other major negatives, and I don't
believe that the above flies in the face of natural justice at all.

Any suggestion of "Applications are taken and randomly given to those that
have applied" I think is ludicrous - if there is any Randomness applied to
this process, how should that be considered?  It leaves wide open the
possibility for complaint, and litigious ISPs would have a field day...

We need to be sensible about this if it is to happen....

Andrew Heath
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth B [mailto:kb§kb.au.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2001 1:39 PM
> To: dns§auda.org.au
> Subject: Re: Melbourne IT's records
>
>
> Wouldnt the auction eliminate the first come first serve policy???
>
>
> Kenneth Brownsmith
> kb§kb.au.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Heath" <drew&#167;bluetongue.com.au>
> To: <dns&#167;auda.org.au>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Melbourne IT's records
>
>
> > The system that I originally wrote in 1996 for Melbourne IT did keep all
> > rejections in a separate database, so there is a record.
> >
> > I know that the system was overhauled in 1999, but it would
> have a similar
> > database pile for rejects.
> >
> > Robert Elz was in charge prior to that, and having studied his email
> system
> > for dealing with COM.AU requests, I again know that there were records
> kept,
> > but whether they still exist or not, I can't be sure, other than to say
> that
> > I know that Robert did keep everything.
> >
> > At that time there were less than 9000 COM.AU domain names...
> >
> > If COM.AU were to move to be generic, then I have always
> thought that for
> > any name that has been rejected in the past, there should be an auction,
> > where each of the parties who had applied for the name in the past were
> > informed of the auction, and these to be auctioned names were then sold
> over
> > a 3 month period.
> >
> > This could easily be done through a system like EBAY.COM.AU and the
> profits
> > then given to a charitable trust, or a fighting fund for
> general internet
> > policy improval, or to fund AuDA
> >
> > There are a number of alternatives, but I think the above is by far the
> > fairest mechanism...
> >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Matthew King [mailto:mking&#167;cinfo.com.au]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2001 11:05 AM
> > > To: dns&#167;auda.org.au
> > > Subject: Re: Melbourne IT's records
> > >
> > >
> > > This approach flies in the face of natural justice for those that
> > > actually read or knew the registration rules and thus did not apply
> > > for generic or reserved names.
> > >
> > > It would be quite unjust to proceed in this way as the current rules
> > > would effectively enable a reservation process which it is clearly
> > > stated not to be.
> > >
> > > I know a number of my clients that would seriously consider legal
> > > action against any party that allowed this.
> > >
> > > >The market will sort itself out post sale.  I understand that
> > > Melbourne IT's
> > > >records are sufficient to track request after they took over
> the formal
> > > >management in Oct 96.  Maybe records exist before then.
> > >
> > >
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