Larry and all,

Larry Bloch wrote:

> OK
>
> Wait a second here.
>
> Lets not talk about nominating anyone for anything. Lets proceed in an
> orderly fashion - there isn't any point nominating anyone or setting up
> anything unless it is going to be representative, credible, accountable and
> in line with the expectation of .AU stakeholders.

  Good points here Larry.

>
>
> At this point, the only parties that are likely to avoid us pissing into
> the wind (excuse my lack of manners) are:
>
> Robert Elz (because he has absolute power over .AU)
> Government (because they are bigger than kre)

  First of all, Robert Elz nor any single individual really has power over the
.AU ccTLD unless the stakeholders either allow him to have it or select him
to have such power.  Now the Australian Government Does have something to
say about the .AU ccTLD should they so choose to exercise it.

  Though I have NO say so what so ever as I am not an Australian, our future
commercial interests in Australia may have.  But that isn't really of value at
this
point.  It just appears to me that the stakeholder and Internet user community
within Australia should or could form their own stakeholder and Internet
user community could form their own Organization .ORG and set up a site
under the .ORG gTLD and start to get things put together.  In fact several
such Organizations could do this to represent different segments of the
stakeholder
and Internet User community that use .AU or have Domains registered under
.AU.  There are two ways that seem apparent to me to make this happen

1.) Stakeholders, along with some leader or organizer can put together just
     such an origination and start to soliciting members from the stakeholder
     community within Australia.

2.) Stakeholders and User Groups can unite in a common orginization and
     than lobby the Australian government for recognition.

  Once any or both of these are done, than proposals for managing the .AU
ccTLD can be put forth that may improve the Registration an registrar/registry
service for the .AU ccTLD.  (I would assume here that licensing will be
required).

>
>
> Without support from both or either of these parties we are wasting our
> time. So rather than 'elect' a non-representative group of individuals to a
> non-existant body, lets rather try and determine who the stakeholders are,
> who can represent groups of stakeholders that are too large to be
> represented directly and what sort of authority this body will have.

  Yes, the authority should emanate from within that Organizations) and it
should
be open to any and all stakeholders as well as any Australian Internet Users.

>
>
> Now I see the stakeholders as follows:
>
> Robert Elz

  Yes as a stakeholder or a user only.

> Government
> The ISP Industry
> The domain buying public
> Commercial 'Players' in the domain registration business.

Also Internet User community.

>
>
> any more?

  As I said above.  The Australian Internet user community either individually
or as a member of a Internet User Group(s).

>
>
> The last thing we need is another body with no authority. You will recall
> that this is one of the reasons that ADNA has gotten nowhere - nobody is
> going to take much notice of a body that has no power and is not
> representative.

  I don't know weather the ADNA is a representative or not.  Does it have
a charter.  Is ia legal registered organization of some kind within the legal
structure of the Australian legal system?  If so, than that should be enough.

>
>
> To Robert Elz: Are you interested in the industry as a whole putting its
> efforts together towards reforming the .AU namespace? Will you participate?
> And if not, what would change your mind?

  It is great to ask Robert to participate.  But it is not necessary that he
do.  It is
necessary for him to abide by what he Stakeholders and the Australian Internet
User community wants once they are organized officially.

>
>
> Regards
>
> Larry Bloch
>
> At 15:10 22/06/98 +0930, you wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Would it be possible to elect 8 people from the following
> >> list to be the Trustees of the .AU TLD ?
> >>
> >> Robert Elz
> >> Larry Bloch
> >> Steve Baxter
> >
> >take me out please - I have had a gutful and just wish to be a noise maker
> >on the sidelines as that is really easy and requires very little rational
> >thought !
> >
> >
> >> Chris Chaundy
> >> James Ray
> >> David Keegel
> >> Kevin Dinn
> >> Adam Todd
> >
> >I insist that if this goes ahead that any person who has stated ambition
> >to fragment the DNS system as we know it not be involved as they have
> >disqualified themselves from the real DNS debate. Any person invlolved in
> >the policy of .au should not be involved in an open campaign to undermine
> >it - it makes no sense !
> >
> >
> >
> >> Richard Archer
> >> James Austin
> >> Stephen Baxter
> >
> >I still do not want to be here.
> >
> >
> >> Kevin Dinn
> >
> >Mind you I have Kevin Dinn's twin brother (Kevin) to keep me company !
> >
> >> Michael Malone
> >> David Keegel
> >> Simon Hackett
> >>
> >>
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Stephen Baxter             SE Network Access/Big Networks Australia
> >phone : +61 8 8221 5221    222 Grote Street
> >fax   : +61 8 8221 5220    Adelaide 5000, Australia
> >
> >(www.ausbone.net - do not go quietly into the night !)
> >
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