Jesus is this hard.

The Geoff below should read 'Jeff'.

Geoff, sorry.
Jeff - fuck off.

On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:01:58PM +1000, Alastair Waddell wrote:
> Geoff, re-read the original message. I'm somewhat incredulous
> that you seem to think I'm saying the very opposite of what I put
> forward. 
> 
> I mean, if you had anything reasonable to say, it surely
> wouldn't address the concerted reply I made to Adam, rather it
> would address, fucking finally, the issue I put forward. 
> 
> You've seemingly come out of nowhere, with a reply so distorted
> that I'm completely aghast at your approach. 
> 
> Maybe I was harsh on Adam and you're playing Devil's advocate.
> Maybe you are Adam (or Adam was an act all along??).
> 
> Either way, it surely can't be _that_ hard for someone,
> somewhere, to address the issue I raised (the issue that was
> already wasted on aussie-isp).  
> 
> If you can read, then digest and make a reasoned, comprehensible
> reply. Elsewise piss off.
> 
> "Describe in detail how..." , well fuck you Jeff read the
> original message! 
> 
> On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 01:53:24AM +0100, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > Alastair and all,
> > 
> >   FIrst let me say that I am very new to this list.  Now for everybody's enjoyment
> > 
> > the rest of my comments below yours Alastair.  >;)
> > 
> > Alastair Waddell wrote:
> > 
> > > This will be an exhausting exercise Adam, but seeing as I'm used
> > > to countering pedantic argument from children, I'll find the
> > > patience to reply. Also, I know from experience that children
> > > slowly lose the plot, cry, make up and go to bed. So there's
> > > hope...
> > 
> >   Ohhhh Yes daddy I know that adam is being bad!  WAAAA!  WAAAAA!
> > WAAAAA!.  Get real will ya Alastair!  What a wanker.
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 11:51:25AM +1000, Adam Todd wrote:
> > > > >Rick W suggested I subscribe and crosspost this into this list.
> > > > >Hopefully you lot have a longer attention span that the
> > > > >hairdressers in aussie-isp and Adam, I got your reply advertising
> > > > >AUSRC as a solution for my proposal already ta.
> > > >
> > > > Advertising?  Not at all, suggesting.  Why is it I advertise and others
> > > > mention?  Should I have a mystery person posting about alternatives instead?
> > >
> > > I _don't know_ why you persistently advertise to the lists. I
> > > suggest it's because you have a personality disorder of some
> > > sort.
> > 
> >   I don't see anything in an "Advertising" about this comment by Adam.
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Mystery person? Two Adams for the price of one? An analogy -
> > > that's like wasting 80% of the Amazonian basis instead of 40%
> > 
> >   God you are an Idiot Alastair!
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > <here we go with the one by one counter 'argument' routine>
> > >
> > > I did have a point to make. Detracting from the focus of the
> > > thread is an Evil Act, Adam. And you'll go to /dev/Hell if you do
> > > it.
> > 
> >   Describe in detail how and in what manner is Adam's comments
> > detracting for the focus of this thread?  I f you don't or cannot, than you
> > are just grandstanding.
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > > >I notice an accc person is on the list so an opinion from thou
> > > > >wouldn't go amiss.
> > > >
> > > > There are also ACCC people on Aussie-ISP, so don't worry, they are WELL
> > > > aware of the matter.  It's been discussed numerous times in the last three
> > > > months with staff at the ACCC.
> > 
> >   And what were are the specifics of these discussions with the ACCC.  Are
> > there any transcripts of these discussions?  If so where are they posted?  If
> > not posted, when will they be posted?  Otherwise, again you are just making
> > a comment in passing here.  What the HELL that indicates is of no real value.
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, sooner or later they might bite and join the thread which
> > > would be encouraging.
> > >
> > > > >The proposition I'm putting forward for debate is simply that the
> > > > >portability or non-portability of 3LD's should be indicated to a
> > > > >prospect _in a proactive manner_.
> > >
> > > > In short, I guess I agree.  But then do you also tell everyone their Phone
> > > > number isn't portable, or is that assumed?
> > >
> > > OK, you agree but you qualify this with the "Phone number"
> > > analogy. About portability of phone number's I'd say
> > >
> > > o You're mad.
> > >   I have no say - it's Telstra. I understand how domains are
> > >    inherently portable but I have no idea as to the complications
> > >    in making a phone number portable.
> > 
> >   Jesus Alastair, I learned this in Networking 101.  If you don't know
> > how phone numbers are portable and the steps in doing it, you are
> > a near ignoramus.
> > 
> > >   I believe macro's (numbers) are portable
> > >   You're mad.
> > >   The public has become conditioned to a general expectation of
> > >    what they can expect (and what they have the power to change)
> > 
> >   But many do not even know that they do have this power.  To not make
> > them aware that they have choices or to actively prevent them form having more
> > choices is very bad for business and dishonest.
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > > Do you also tell the person who purchases a Pizza from a store and drives
> > > > 45 minutes that the pizza won't be as nice when they get to the destination?
> > >
> > > A pizza get's colder the longer it's in the van. Sure, it's based
> > > on an assumption, or lack of. We generally assume that the pizza
> > > won't be kept piping hot for us and although technically, it
> > > probably wouldn't be too hard, we have _come to expect_ a certain
> > > quality in the pizza. Thus, through it's lack of an
> > > implementation of a 'heating of pizza's in transit' the pizza
> > > industry has successfully, and not unreasonably, engendered the
> > > popular notion that it's OK if a pizza isn't delivered piping
> > > hot. If it's cold, well that might be different.
> > 
> >   I think that the pizza analogy was not the best analogy, but it works.  Your
> > characterization is far form reality.  See a shrink will ya Alastair?
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > * There is no common perception on the 'right to portability' of
> > > domains names that can be easily qualified in the Australian
> > > market. *
> > 
> >   What a shame.  I am an american and we are developing this.  It would
> > seem that as one of the leaders in technology in your part of the world, Australia
> > 
> > would be moving in this direction as well.  Try being a cheerleader for this cause
> > 
> > instead of throwing up your hands and saying there is nothing you can do.
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > ** _We know that domain names are _inherently portable_. **
> > >
> > > ** We should act to ensure that the New Forces of Greed don't
> > > engender or profit from a general assumption the supposes other
> > > than that 3LDs are portable_ **
> > 
> >   I agree that too much greed is inherently dangerous, but to use this as an
> > excuse not to move as quickly as possible towards portability for all levels
> > of domains is just plain stupid and lacks fore thought.
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > > Why does a domain name have to be any more portable than a
> > > > phone number and street address?
> > >
> > > It's obviously past your bed time Adam because you've made an
> > > erroneous logical leap from cold pizzas to the portability of the
> > > delivery addresses of those pizzas.
> > >
> > > This is what's known as 'the Adam Factor' and it's got a lot to
> > > do with your lack of popularity in mailing lists. Amazingly, you
> > > have other negative traits in your writings also.
> > >
> > > So either you're tired and losing it totally, or your wanking.
> > > Either way it's time for bed. Goodnight.
> > >
> > > And when you wake up fresh and bright, let's take up where you
> > > said " In short, I guess I agree" because I don't have the time
> > > for this kiddie shit.
> > >
> > > > If you move house you can't take the address with you.
> > > > If a company moves address, it can't take the building?
> > > > Just a few devils advocating questions, I'd love to see some comments on.
> > >
> > > If I can't stop the flow of junk through head is it my medication
> > > or is it genetic? Is it karma? Is karma the junk. Is it the
> > > devils advocating questions in my head? Or in the house? Is it
> > > the house's karma? Is the house the Dali Lama? Or a banana.
> > >
> > > All you did, other than a token, half hearted assent, was
> > > waste space.
> > 
> >   As most of your reply comments have been as well.  In fact worse.  If you think
> > that Adams comments are a waste of space why comment at all?
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > > This has of course been discussed in the USA DNS mail lists from
> > > > yesteryear, and if I can find the thread, I'll repost the discussion, or
> > > > make it available on my web server. (Preferances??)
> > >
> > > You agree in 4 words, waste a few K of bandwidth with psychotic
> > > analogies, and then tell me 'this has been discussed before in
> > > the Good Ole USA'. Please, I beg you, don't spam the list with a
> > > repost. By analogy, your reposts compare with the weapons of
> > > destruction unleashed by some third world (psychotic) demagogue.
> > > They waste a hell of a lot of space.
> > >
> > > If you must use 'junk content mentality', that is, avail yourself
> > > of bulk content for you own bizarre reasons, then please take the
> > > time to summarise it and post only the summary which will be
> > > concise and considerably more relevant and less wasteful of
> > > space.
> > >
> > > Yes, make the discussion available on your web server. Sure. By
> > > all means, ta. I know the url.
> > >
> > > Just contribe more than one half hearted sentence with meaning
> > > and I promise you, you'll be loved and considered a legend by
> > > all.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to picking up the thread of "In short, I guess I
> > > agree" with you, otherwise, well you know what time it is.
> > >
> > > Filter time.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > > Adam Todd               mailto:at&#167;ah.net   mailto:at§aus
> > > > http://adamtodd.ah.net  http://www.ah.net  http://www.aursc.ah.net
> > > > http://www.ah.net/lists/lwgate
> > >
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> >  Regards,
> > 
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1&#167;ix.netcom.com
> > 
> 
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