Ok, 30 seconds to cool down.

I think maybe Huston is being faceitious.

I concede that I'm wasting my time and yours (if you're still
reading) with this thread and seemingly with this list. It's very
disconcerting that the issue couldn't be discussed (barely one
reply on topic in 30 or more over two lists). 

Thanks for the few seconds of your short collective attention
span and ttfn. 

Jeff W, if I ever meet you I think I'm going to punch you. Please
feel free to get good mileage out of my unfashionable threats of
violence. 



On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 07:21:03PM +1000, Geoff Huston wrote:
> And with this posting from Mr Williams, with his usual standard of
> reasoned argument that I have come to know and admire for so many months
> within the various domain name policy mailers, this list moves so far
> away from its intent that its utility for the rational discussion
> of policy within the .au domain space is now over.
> 
> 
> So long,
> 
>    Geoff Huston
> 
> 
> 
> At 01:53 21/05/98 +0100, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >Alastair and all,
> >
> >  FIrst let me say that I am very new to this list.  Now for everybody's enjoyment
> >
> >the rest of my comments below yours Alastair.  >;)
> >
> >Alastair Waddell wrote:
> >
> >> This will be an exhausting exercise Adam, but seeing as I'm used
> >> to countering pedantic argument from children, I'll find the
> >> patience to reply. Also, I know from experience that children
> >> slowly lose the plot, cry, make up and go to bed. So there's
> >> hope...
> >
> >  Ohhhh Yes daddy I know that adam is being bad!  WAAAA!  WAAAAA!
> >WAAAAA!.  Get real will ya Alastair!  What a wanker.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 11:51:25AM +1000, Adam Todd wrote:
> >> > >Rick W suggested I subscribe and crosspost this into this list.
> >> > >Hopefully you lot have a longer attention span that the
> >> > >hairdressers in aussie-isp and Adam, I got your reply advertising
> >> > >AUSRC as a solution for my proposal already ta.
> >> >
> >> > Advertising?  Not at all, suggesting.  Why is it I advertise and others
> >> > mention?  Should I have a mystery person posting about alternatives instead?
> >>
> >> I _don't know_ why you persistently advertise to the lists. I
> >> suggest it's because you have a personality disorder of some
> >> sort.
> >
> >  I don't see anything in an "Advertising" about this comment by Adam.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Mystery person? Two Adams for the price of one? An analogy -
> >> that's like wasting 80% of the Amazonian basis instead of 40%
> >
> >  God you are an Idiot Alastair!
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> <here we go with the one by one counter 'argument' routine>
> >>
> >> I did have a point to make. Detracting from the focus of the
> >> thread is an Evil Act, Adam. And you'll go to /dev/Hell if you do
> >> it.
> >
> >  Describe in detail how and in what manner is Adam's comments
> >detracting for the focus of this thread?  I f you don't or cannot, than you
> >are just grandstanding.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > >I notice an accc person is on the list so an opinion from thou
> >> > >wouldn't go amiss.
> >> >
> >> > There are also ACCC people on Aussie-ISP, so don't worry, they are WELL
> >> > aware of the matter.  It's been discussed numerous times in the last three
> >> > months with staff at the ACCC.
> >
> >  And what were are the specifics of these discussions with the ACCC.  Are
> >there any transcripts of these discussions?  If so where are they posted?  If
> >not posted, when will they be posted?  Otherwise, again you are just making
> >a comment in passing here.  What the HELL that indicates is of no real value.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, sooner or later they might bite and join the thread which
> >> would be encouraging.
> >>
> >> > >The proposition I'm putting forward for debate is simply that the
> >> > >portability or non-portability of 3LD's should be indicated to a
> >> > >prospect _in a proactive manner_.
> >>
> >> > In short, I guess I agree.  But then do you also tell everyone their Phone
> >> > number isn't portable, or is that assumed?
> >>
> >> OK, you agree but you qualify this with the "Phone number"
> >> analogy. About portability of phone number's I'd say
> >>
> >> o You're mad.
> >>   I have no say - it's Telstra. I understand how domains are
> >>    inherently portable but I have no idea as to the complications
> >>    in making a phone number portable.
> >
> >  Jesus Alastair, I learned this in Networking 101.  If you don't know
> >how phone numbers are portable and the steps in doing it, you are
> >a near ignoramus.
> >
> >>   I believe macro's (numbers) are portable
> >>   You're mad.
> >>   The public has become conditioned to a general expectation of
> >>    what they can expect (and what they have the power to change)
> >
> >  But many do not even know that they do have this power.  To not make
> >them aware that they have choices or to actively prevent them form having more
> >choices is very bad for business and dishonest.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > Do you also tell the person who purchases a Pizza from a store and drives
> >> > 45 minutes that the pizza won't be as nice when they get to the destination?
> >>
> >> A pizza get's colder the longer it's in the van. Sure, it's based
> >> on an assumption, or lack of. We generally assume that the pizza
> >> won't be kept piping hot for us and although technically, it
> >> probably wouldn't be too hard, we have _come to expect_ a certain
> >> quality in the pizza. Thus, through it's lack of an
> >> implementation of a 'heating of pizza's in transit' the pizza
> >> industry has successfully, and not unreasonably, engendered the
> >> popular notion that it's OK if a pizza isn't delivered piping
> >> hot. If it's cold, well that might be different.
> >
> >  I think that the pizza analogy was not the best analogy, but it works.  Your
> >characterization is far form reality.  See a shrink will ya Alastair?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> * There is no common perception on the 'right to portability' of
> >> domains names that can be easily qualified in the Australian
> >> market. *
> >
> >  What a shame.  I am an american and we are developing this.  It would
> >seem that as one of the leaders in technology in your part of the world, Australia
> >
> >would be moving in this direction as well.  Try being a cheerleader for this cause
> >
> >instead of throwing up your hands and saying there is nothing you can do.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ** _We know that domain names are _inherently portable_. **
> >>
> >> ** We should act to ensure that the New Forces of Greed don't
> >> engender or profit from a general assumption the supposes other
> >> than that 3LDs are portable_ **
> >
> >  I agree that too much greed is inherently dangerous, but to use this as an
> >excuse not to move as quickly as possible towards portability for all levels
> >of domains is just plain stupid and lacks fore thought.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > Why does a domain name have to be any more portable than a
> >> > phone number and street address?
> >>
> >> It's obviously past your bed time Adam because you've made an
> >> erroneous logical leap from cold pizzas to the portability of the
> >> delivery addresses of those pizzas.
> >>
> >> This is what's known as 'the Adam Factor' and it's got a lot to
> >> do with your lack of popularity in mailing lists. Amazingly, you
> >> have other negative traits in your writings also.
> >>
> >> So either you're tired and losing it totally, or your wanking.
> >> Either way it's time for bed. Goodnight.
> >>
> >> And when you wake up fresh and bright, let's take up where you
> >> said " In short, I guess I agree" because I don't have the time
> >> for this kiddie shit.
> >>
> >> > If you move house you can't take the address with you.
> >> > If a company moves address, it can't take the building?
> >> > Just a few devils advocating questions, I'd love to see some comments on.
> >>
> >> If I can't stop the flow of junk through head is it my medication
> >> or is it genetic? Is it karma? Is karma the junk. Is it the
> >> devils advocating questions in my head? Or in the house? Is it
> >> the house's karma? Is the house the Dali Lama? Or a banana.
> >>
> >> All you did, other than a token, half hearted assent, was
> >> waste space.
> >
> >  As most of your reply comments have been as well.  In fact worse.  If you think
> >that Adams comments are a waste of space why comment at all?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > This has of course been discussed in the USA DNS mail lists from
> >> > yesteryear, and if I can find the thread, I'll repost the discussion, or
> >> > make it available on my web server. (Preferances??)
> >>
> >> You agree in 4 words, waste a few K of bandwidth with psychotic
> >> analogies, and then tell me 'this has been discussed before in
> >> the Good Ole USA'. Please, I beg you, don't spam the list with a
> >> repost. By analogy, your reposts compare with the weapons of
> >> destruction unleashed by some third world (psychotic) demagogue.
> >> They waste a hell of a lot of space.
> >>
> >> If you must use 'junk content mentality', that is, avail yourself
> >> of bulk content for you own bizarre reasons, then please take the
> >> time to summarise it and post only the summary which will be
> >> concise and considerably more relevant and less wasteful of
> >> space.
> >>
> >> Yes, make the discussion available on your web server. Sure. By
> >> all means, ta. I know the url.
> >>
> >> Just contribe more than one half hearted sentence with meaning
> >> and I promise you, you'll be loved and considered a legend by
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Looking forward to picking up the thread of "In short, I guess I
> >> agree" with you, otherwise, well you know what time it is.
> >>
> >> Filter time.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________________________________
> >> > Adam Todd               mailto:at&#167;ah.net   mailto:at§aus
> >> > http://adamtodd.ah.net  http://www.ah.net  http://www.aursc.ah.net
> >> > http://www.ah.net/lists/lwgate
> >>
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> > Regards,
> >
> >--
> >Jeffrey A. Williams
> >DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> >E-Mail jwkckid1&#167;ix.netcom.com
> > 

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