>  
>  Can you tell me honestly you can perform in a capacity with only the
>  interests of things outside of your commercial enterprise? 

Yes. 

I joined the process because I thought (and still think) it was broken.


>  If so, I'd truely like to see you sign an agreement as such and submit it
>  to ADNA stating that your commercial enterprise(s) will not undertake any
>  interest in the process unless you personally resign from the ADNA board.

So my company cannot register domain names any longer !
Yah sure - I will sign that .... not.
  
>  It's too much a conflict of interest and 90% of the time people are on such
>  organisations to serve their interests and not those of the community.

How and when ?
One example - Peter Gerrand has what alot of people call a monopoly on
behalf of his company, yet he is being apart of process to remove that
monopoly. Now does that sound self serving ?

>  >I represent SAIA at ADNA - not SE Net - if you do not recognise that
>  >people can particpiate in these types of things even when they are
>  >gainfully employed then you are dillusional.
>  
>  No, that's not what I said at all.  Stephen, you've been making personal
>  attacks at me for over a year now, it woudl be nice if we could concentrate
>  on issues, rather than personal attacks.  I's so unprofessional.

Adam, what you are saying is that people involved in the DNS/Internet
community should not be involved in its reform - that to me is
dillusional. Solve this now by naming people who would survive the regime
you apply to test people.

Lawyers are involved in law reform, accounts and lawyers in tax reform, IT
people even make up policy advisory board for governments (it is shame
that SCAG do not follow this model), would it do to have a janitor's
committee or the local P&C help out here ?


>  I indicated that a person who had a commercial interest in the Internet
>  woudl not make a good Board member ethically under the ADNA rules.  It
>  forms a clear conflict of interest.

Who involved in the industry would be qualified following that rule ?
Please name a couple of people who have experience with the Internet
Industry (a small prerequisite) that is not on the payroll of some company
that may benefit from DNS reform and therefore do not count ?

If you have identified a flaw in ADNA please air a fix - name some people,
the ones involved now are the ones who want to be, who can we draft that
would be able to help us out - please name them ?

Please identify people - put them up for scrutiny and then I can send
a message to a public forum calling them biassed if need be as that seems
like an easy thing to do.

>  What's to say Your commercial company isn't going to next become a
>  Registrar under the ADNA regime?  Or have you clearly indicated this will
>  NOT occur?

I do not wear an SE Net hat when I attend ADNA board meetings, as I don't
when I attend SAIA board meetings. If by my actions I am seen to be biased
in any way then please identify the instance. I have done nothing wrong as
is the case with the other people working to fix the DNS system in 
Australia - we are just trying to fix not blow more holes in it !

  
>  As a board member of ADNA you are making decisions that affect commercial
>  enterprise.  It's almost "insider trading" where behind those closed ADNA
>  meeting doors you are privilidged to information I and other organisations
>  are not.  By the time we hear about them from ADNA you've had a two week
>  commercial head start.

I will not take that as an accusation that I have done something wrong but
that sounds like you have almost accused my of crime.
  
>  >If you are insinuating that we are doing something other than representing
>  >those bodies than please just say it and we can really get down to
>  >business.
>  
>  I haven't said that either.  I've simply said I see you as a member of a
>  board making decision for a NON PROFIT organisation whislt holding a clear
>  PROFIT motive as a Director (?) or employee of a company that has a clear
>  motivation to dominate a market as a conflict of interest.

Who would you have heading DNS reform - employees of the NON profit
organisations ?
This is an issue in your eyes - please tell me who you would have on the
board then ?

>  
>  Can you ASSURE ME in writing that any decision made by ADNA will not in any
>  way relate to or advantage your company over any other company in Australia?

Well if we have a more efficient DNS system with more competition then my
company will most likely get more chance to sell more DNS related
products.
So my company, as will every other such similar company will benefit out
of DNS reform.

All of my work with ADNA is on behalf of SAIA, SAIA has no official
position on DNS reform except to get it done some time soon. I do not sit
on ADNA as a company director. People can fullfill two roles.

>  >SAIA is non profit, IIA is non profit, WAIA is non profit, asn.au is non
>  >profit, tradegate is non profit - yet YOU decide to label us as if we are
>  >in this for some evil end.
>  
>  I didn't make a comment about Tradegate, I have no knowledge of the person
>  or the organisaiton.  At this time I don't feel it necessary to see if the
>  "representative" has commercial interests in the Internet, as I've already
>  pointed out just about every other member does.

Adam - you pointed out every other member is a member of the Internet
Community - you draw from that fact that this bad. 

>  
>  How can a board be made up of people who have a clear COMMERCIAL interest
>  honestly call themselves UNBIASED and Fairly representing.

Who in Australian will do  - provide an answer please ?
Most people I know who make up the Internet Organisations happen to work
for companies in the Industry - please find us someone better ?

Employees can be biased as well.
  
>  Why do WA politicians resign from "Small Business" portfolios when they own
>  Shopping Malls?
>  
>  >Grow up !
>  
>  No, Stpehen you should start by being IMPERSONAL and concentrating on the
>  issues.  I haven't made one personal attack on you at any time.  You
>  constantly do.
>  
>  Be aware that people who make personal attacks on others in a debate
>  generally don't have the ability to discuss the issues and wish to
>  sidetrack the argument.
>  
>  Yet again, I reitterate:
>  
>  How can the Board Members of ADNA conform to the terms of the MOA when they
>  are personally directly involved with Profit Making Companies directlry
>  involved with Internet?

Gets back to the basic question of :

If the present board members are mostly all biased in your eyes can you
please nominate a select group who may not be (names) ?

Give us a solution - stones are easy to throw.

>  If the members were "employees" of the organisations you quote who are not
>  Directors of, or shareholders of any Internet Commercial Business, i
>  woduln't have an arguement.  Would I?

OK. SAIA has no employees yet, nor does WAIA (I think they have a NAP
contractor), IIA has Peter Coroneos, asn.au has no employees, MelbourneIT
could send a lower level manager than Peter.

Now these people will just be taking direction from their boss/board -
just like the present board members do.

These people still have a requirement to pick up a pay cheque at the end
of the week and if you imply that the bosses are no good but the diggers
are then you are still dillusional. If we are all corrupt (or open to
corruption) then why would people we pay/direct be any different.....

The people who sit on the ADNA wear two hats, this was discussed at length
during the DNS forums (a series of meeting held over at least 12 months)
and most people, while they agreed it was imperfect, saw that if a clear
commercial conflict raised its head that could be dealt with after that
was identified.

A better way to help out would be to join on of the non profit
organisations (or form your own) that are part of ADNA and then exercise
your control as a member of the process.





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